Penrite 15w-50 in a TD ?

[Hodge]

So I won a bit of a Penrite oil pack. They asked me what car / engine etc ...
It all arrived and the motor oil is 15 50 . Checked their lube guide for the TD and it's correct.
Every other brand is 15 40 .
Anybody used this in their TD before ?
Free oil is free oil , and I know Penrite is highly regarded, but thought I'd ask for thoughts.


Sent using Pixel 6

[mudski]

The 15 is a cold temp weight, and the later number is warm temp weigh. In a nutshell.

So in your case the oil will hold a slightly higher viscosity at warmer temps than what the 40 will, i.e in summer. What you may notice, is slightly higher oil pressure, if you notice it... I'm thinking of switching to this for the summer to see what its like in my TD. My engine runs a bit hotter than usual so this may be a good option for me.

[Cuppa]

It's what I have always used in my TD42 - normally change every 5000kms, but because it is semi synthetic, a couple of times when we have been in places where an oil change was difficult, I have felt quite happy to delay the change for an extra 2000 or 3000kms. Not something I'll make a habit of, but not something I would feel comfortable with doing if using a 'lesser' oil.

[Hodge]

It's what I have always used in my TD42 - normally change every 5000kms, but because it is semi synthetic, a couple of times when we have been in places where an oil change was difficult, I have felt quite happy to delay the change for an extra 2000 or 3000kms. Not something I'll make a habit of, but not something I would feel comfortable with doing if using a 'lesser' oil.Thanks for the feedback folks.
And Cuppa I do my oil and filters religiously every 5k on the dot as well.
I might give it a run.

Sent using Pixel 6

[Cuppa]

Hodge Whilst you're at it you may be interested in these oil filters. I just bought 4 & the delivered cost worked out to be $13.90 each. Donaldson filters suitable for TD42's which have two filters the same. Equivalent to Ryco 503's. I wont run any of the el cheapo crap filters, but am happy to use Donaldson. These are the cheapest I have ever paid for filters for the Patrol.

https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/313528711414

[Hodge]

Hodge Whilst you're at it you may be interested in these oil filters. I just bought 4 & the delivered cost worked out to be $13.90 each. Donaldson filters suitable for TD42's which have two filters the same. Equivalent to Ryco 503's. I wont run any of the el cheapo crap filters, but am happy to use Donaldson. These are the cheapest I have ever paid for filters for the Patrol.

https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/313528711414Thanks Cuppa .
Those are the exact filters ive been using for years now. I've been getting the full kits through Mudski through his work. Great bit of kit !

http://www.nissanpatrol.com.au/forums/images/imported/2021/12/1.jpg

Sent using Pixel 6

[mudski]

You've inspired me Eric to get off my arse and order a 20L of HPRD 15 oil and some Donaldson filter through work and do a service. Even though I haven't even done 2000k in the last 12 months. Lol

[Winnie]

You've inspired me Eric to get off my arse and order a 20L of HPRD 15 oil and some Donaldson filter through work and do a service. Even though I haven't even done 2000k in the last 12 months. LolCheck the wheel bearings and give them a good whack of grease. I've just learned the hard way that wheel bearings do no like sitting around for so long without being spun for a bit.

Sent from my SM-G986B using Tapatalk

[mudski]

Check the wheel bearings and give them a good whack of grease. I've just learned the hard way that wheel bearings do no like sitting around for so long without being spun for a bit.

Sent from my SM-G986B using Tapatalk

Yeah I saw what happened to yours. While it’s not mobile trying to sort out this lecky gremlin I will check them.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

[Hodge]

You've inspired me Eric to get off my arse and order a 20L of HPRD 15 oil and some Donaldson filter through work and do a service. Even though I haven't even done 2000k in the last 12 months. LolHaha. I'll service mine this weekend.
My Penrite kit was a free prize thankfully.
But holy shit looking at the prices it's not cheap.
10L for $90- ish for the 15w50 HPR diesel. 20L Of RX can be had for $120.

Sent using Pixel 6

[mudski]

Haha. I'll service mine this weekend.
My Penrite kit was a free prize thankfully.
But holy shit looking at the prices it's not cheap.
10L for $90- ish for the 15w50 HPR diesel. 20L Of RX can be had for $120.

Sent using Pixel 6

Let me know if you want it mate. I can get 20L of the HPRD 15 for not far off the 20L RX price. ;)

[Cuppa]

But holy shit looking at the prices it's not cheap.
10L for $90- ish for the 15w50 HPR diesel. 20L Of RX can be had for $120.



No it's not cheap, but if you keep an eye out it's usually possible to buy some on special somewhere. I just got the owner of the place we are staying at to pick me up 10 litres from Repco in Cairns for $76. Still expensive though. I wont need it for another 4500kms but I like to carry enough with us for an oil change otherwise it's too easy to find ourselves at the mercy of local prices, where if you can get it (in remote areas) can easily be $120 for 10 litres. I also like to carry it just in case I were ever to hole the sump and able to repair it.

The Donaldson kits are good value, especially with the blue air filters. But using the CAV pre-fuel filters I seem to slowly increase my stock of standard fuel filters, & there are only so many I can carry around the country. Hence just buying oil filters this time around.

[Hodge]

Noticed something interesting at Supercheap.
They have a 15 40 Penrite oil , apparently exclusive to them. Penrite lube guide never suggested this oil on their site . Instead it opted for the 15 50 variety.
Are they trying to upsell this HPR oil?

I could be wrong , but quick spec search well and truly meets TD needs with this Outback version. What gives ?




http://www.nissanpatrol.com.au/forums/images/imported/2021/12/12.jpg

Sent using Pixel 6

[Cuppa]

Noticed something interesting at Supercheap.
They have a 15 40 Penrite oil , apparently exclusive to them. Penrite lube guide never suggested this oil on their site . Instead it opted for the 15 50 variety.
Are they trying to upsell this HPR oil?

I could be wrong , but quick spec search well and truly meets TD needs with this Outback version. What gives ?




There is a difference & I think the 'made for Supercheap' product is lesser value, but it depends on your point of view . The 'Outback 4x4' product is a mineral oil, the HPR15 15w50 is semi synthetic. Personaly I'd rather pay just a few dollars more for the semi synthetic. I might feel differently if the 'Outback 4x4' product was more reasonably priced, on par with similar oils from other brands. I think this is a case of Supercheap trying to make some extra dollars without any real additional benefit to buyers.

[Hodge]

There is a difference & I think the 'made for Supercheap' product is lesser value, but it depends on your point of view . The 'Outback 4x4' product is a mineral oil, the HPR15 15w50 is semi synthetic. Personaly I'd rather pay just a few dollars more for the semi synthetic. I might feel differently if the 'Outback 4x4' product was more reasonably priced, on par with similar oils from other brands. I think this is a case of Supercheap trying to make some extra dollars without any real additional benefit to buyers.Exactly Cuppa. Pricewise it's a no brainer really. And despite being mineral vs semi syn, the outback would still suit a TD I believe if it was the only oil you could get.

Just out of curiosity , do you use the Penrite engine flush prior to oil dumps ?
They gave me a bottle of it. I've never used a flush before. I tipped a tiny bit in.

Sent using Pixel 6

[MB]

FWIW Hodgey Mate, after many heavy albeit sluggishly slow work hauls interstate with the old Grandpa Spec Donk GQ TD42-Safari 8psi ute I’ve managed to tame oil consumption from 30L per 10,000km down to around a quarter/third of that. Old Gramps doesn’t overheat and has above factory compression ratios tested although somewhat recently started invisibly munching 15W-40 Valvoline SuperDiesel & Shell RimulaX R4.
Changed to Penrite Mineral 20W-60 and so far have saved a fortune with that thick honey old school goo which is closer to TD42 Nissan original specifications of 20W-50 from stock I believe?


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

[MB]

FWIW-2 Hodgey Mate, have had two seperate discussions with TD42Ti 150rwkw 12mm Pump/Borg Warner Legends and on our recent gnarly mountain adventure they both used 1.0-1.5L of 15W-40 versus old Grandpa’s 55rwkw 600-700ml of 20W-60.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

[MB]

FWIW-3 [emoji23] Hodgey Mate, Please don’t take my newfound love of Mineral 20W-60 as gospel, hopefully it isn’t destroying my engine but it’s due for a rebuild oneday in the future but for now this goo appears to be a good Bandaid [emoji1037] (Plaster Strip [emoji631] )


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

[Hodge]

Informative as always Mr. MB . [emoji106]

That's a fair whack of lube she's been burning through ?? Thus far (knock on my empty melon ) , my one hasn't lost a drip between services. She's only 160k yung though.

So far the Tee Dee is smooth and dandy with a free drop of penrites Aussie own 15 50 , and purring along nicely.
Hope to maybe be a convert from here on in, like Cuppa .

Sent using Pixel 6

[Stropp]

FWIW-2 Hodgey Mate, have had two seperate discussions with TD42Ti 150rwkw 12mm Pump/Borg Warner Legends and on our recent gnarly mountain adventure they both used 1.0-1.5L of 15W-40 versus old Grandpa’s 55rwkw 600-700ml of 20W-60.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

I used to sell penrite oil when I worked and lived at Paraburdoo in the mines and used 10/50 mineral in everything, I also sold some to a bloke who had an oldv8 fairlane and it used 8 Ltd’s of oil from Perth to para , return trip he used nothing and was so pleased he rang me from Perth.

[Cuppa]

Just out of curiosity , do you use the Penrite engine flush prior to oil dumps ?
They gave me a bottle of it. I've never used a flush before. I tipped a tiny bit in.



Didn't know it existed. I just ensure the motor is well warmed up before dumping the oil.

[Cuppa]

my one hasn't lost a drip between services. She's only 160k yung though.

So far the Tee Dee is smooth and dandy with a free drop of penrites Aussie own 15 50 , and purring along nicely.
Hope to maybe be a convert from here on in, like Cuppa .



Mine now has 240k & also doesn't lose any oil between changes.

[Winnie]

Does anybody actually measure the oil they drop? I don't, so can't say how much I use in between changes, but it stays roughly at the same point on the dipstick.

Sent from my SM-G986B using Tapatalk

[Cuppa]

Does anybody actually measure the oil they drop? I don't, so can't say how much I use in between changes, but it stays roughly at the same point on the dipstick.

Sent from my SM-G986B using Tapatalk

Yep thats what I do.

[Hodge]

Does anybody actually measure the oil they drop? I don't, so can't say how much I use in between changes, but it stays roughly at the same point on the dipstick.

Sent from my SM-G986B using Tapatalk
Yep thats what I do.Yep the dipstick is the only way. I check weekly ...

Sent using Pixel 6

[MB]

Does anybody actually measure the oil they drop? I don't, so can't say how much I use in between changes, but it stays roughly at the same point on the dipstick.

Sent from my SM-G986B using Tapatalk

Out of Honest interest Chrisso Mate, same same adventure we all had, which oil are you running these days Legend, You & Your Beast were unstoppable FULL Credit Track Leader [emoji123][emoji123][emoji106][emoji106]


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

[Winnie]

I have always used Caltex Delo 400 but it is no longer available, switched to Castrol Rx 15W40. Only used it this one time so far, just checked now and has definitely used a bit, estimating around 5mm on dipstick in 3900km.
The cold tinnies and warm fire were calling mate, would have taken too long to get to camp if we all got stuck!

Sent from my SM-G986B using Tapatalk

[MB]

Never Honestly meant that Brother, BEST UHF Advice I’ve Personally Ever Heard Legend [emoji120][emoji106][emoji106]
A Perfect Scenario, Roll on into Camp with Shiploads of Logs Ready 🪵[emoji123][emoji123][emoji106][emoji106]


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

[Hodge]

I have always used Caltex Delo 400 but it is no longer available, switched to Castrol Rx 15W40. Only used it this one time so far, just checked now and has definitely used a bit, estimating around 5mm on dipstick in 3900km.
The cold tinnies and warm fire were calling mate, would have taken too long to get to camp if we all got stuck!

Sent from my SM-G986B using TapatalkThat's what I've used for years till they canned it.
Think I've personally depleted the last 2 drums found in Melbourne last year.

Sent using Pixel 6

[Touses]

I'm also using the Penrite 15/50 semi synth.
I've found if I'm Miss Daisying, short runs to and from work etc, it will chew thru a bit.
The moment I load the backpack or start dragging the camper trailer that pretty much ceases.
The big whooer loves to work.

[Hodge]

I'm also using the Penrite 15/50 semi synth.
I've found if I'm Miss Daisying, short runs to and from work etc, it will chew thru a bit.

Interesting to see that some are noticing usage .

What is the actual science behind this ? Do some oils get past some nooks and crannies due to its grade , while other oils are ok ?



Sent using Pixel 6

[92GQ]

I also use Penrite 15w50 Diesel Semi Syn. I've had my current GQ TD42 for almost 13 years and done about 170,000km in that time (It's just clicked over 420,000kms).
My GQ TD42 before that I had for 100,000kms.
I've used the 15w50 exclusively and checked the dipstick before each 5000km service and never lose anything off the dipstick.
The engines love it, Penrite used to (might still?) recommend the 20w60 and I tried it once but the engine lost power and the ability to hit the higher rpm.
I read all the time that people love the 15w40 (Delo and Castrol IIRC) in TD42s but I just think it's too thin, especially since I added the turbo.
I'm really happy with how my engines are reliable and quiet. So thumbs up to the 15w50 and here's to the next 270,000kms of trouble free touring!

[wagu89]

Not a td but a pretty modified crd zd30 (21psi boost, tune etc pushing pretty decent numbers) and have been using penrite semi 15w50 for ages now without any issues. Rarely have to top it up and if I do I presume its just what the provent catch can has caught. Cars done 250k and runs great with this oil!!

[Touses]

Interesting to see that some are noticing usage .

What is the actual science behind this ? Do some oils get past some nooks and crannies due to its grade , while other oils are ok ?



Sent using Pixel 6

In my case I'm putting usage down to bore glazing.
The engine is fully balanced, right down to clutch on flywheel.
It runs so effin' sweet it hardly has to work at all.
I need to get a full load, backpack/ camper trailer to make it dig in and pull.
Cuts the glaze in no time and then uses eff all oil.
Good excuse to go camping, hasn't been enough of that lately, too bloody busy elsewhere.

[Hodge]

Early report here. Unsure if the placebo effect got the hold of me. But the trusty redarc gauge has been reporting a 1C lower temps since dropping this oil in the motor.
Now you may say that may be sweet fark all, but my trusty eye always keeps tabs on the gauges and the above "change" was definitely noticed.
Especially on the warm-ish days we've had. I will keep an eye on this to confirm my self as a fool or not, but would it be safe to assume that possibly thicker grade hot spectrum of oil could possibly be behind this ?