Best place to buy Warn Hi mount parts?

[mudski]

I finally have my Hi mount on the work bench. Where is the best place to get parts? I will be stripping it and getting it all painted too so I will need a sticker kit or whatever it may be too...

Cheers.

[MudRunnerTD]

Amazon for parts. Warn USA for the sticker kit

[MB]

Worth getting a quote of Daz’s mate Phil at The 4WD Shed too Mark. The import AUD was on its arse at the time I had mine done, much like it is ATM.


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[PeeBee]

I have used ATECO in the past with good results, quick delivery and helpful

[mudski]

Whats the difference between an 8724 and a 8724-50?

[Rossco]

Whats the difference between an 8724 and a 8724-50?Good article here . . https://www.warn.com/blog/2011/03/02/the_history_of_the_warn_m8274_winch.shtml

Yeah email Steve for a sticker kit should be able to find under contract through the wean website. . . Ooh exitement shiny highmount build, should concider the motor MB has on his. .

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[mudski]

Good article here . . https://www.warn.com/blog/2011/03/02/the_history_of_the_warn_m8274_winch.shtml

Yeah email Steve for a sticker kit should be able to find under contract through the wean website. . . Ooh exitement shiny highmount build, should concider the motor MB has on his. .

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Thanks Rossco. Interesting read. What motor has MB got? Is this the contact your referring too?
https://www.warn.com/wwwapps/contactus/contactUs.jsp

It will be a slow rebuild process I think. I'll just do bits when I have the time and coin.

[Winnie]

I used roadrunner because their pricing was good and they were local.
I bought the motor and rebuild kits from Amazon USA but it's not much cheaper any more.

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[Rossco]

Thanks Rossco. Interesting read. What motor has MB got? Is this the contact your referring too?
https://www.warn.com/wwwapps/contactus/contactUs.jsp

It will be a slow rebuild process I think. I'll just do bits when I have the time and coin.Yeah think that's how i got onto him can't remember, can see if can get his email direct. MB's got the Mahle / Iskra motor. He got his through the 4WD shed in Bayswater, could use them for motor and parts I used roadrunner also patrolapart is another option. At the time i did mine would have saved a fair bit getting from overseas though amazon but not sure its worth it atm. . Keep the thread updated plenty of upgrades worth doing as you go.

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[mudski]

Thanks for the tips. Amazon US will be blocking Australian buyers as of next month. Also any overseas seller will need to charge gst as well so I reckon most US sellers will just refuse to sell to us soon.


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[Hodge]

Thanks for the tips. Amazon US will be blocking Australian buyers as of next month.

So you have 5 days to place your order :)

[mudski]

So you have 5 days to place your order :)

Yeah i thought about rushing an order in. I need to sort out the ghost water leak first.

[MB]

....MB's got the Mahle / Iskra motor. He got his through the 4WD shed in Bayswater, could use them for motor and parts I used roadrunner also patrolapart is another option......
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Beast of a motor, originally recommended kindly by MudRunnerTD. Daz’s mate Phil there reckons he can run at least twice the comp challenges on only one compared to the Bow 2 and eats the Warn 6hp of same size for breakfast. matfew Navi (industrial sparky) can explain the Iskra/Mahle superior hauling/no bog down sound he loves so much better than my nuffy understanding can. “It just keeps cranking up and up and....” :-)


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[mudski]

Heres the winch...
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and the motor...
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[MB]

Sexy they are mate!
3.0T++ Patrol beasts they need Daz’s & Phil’s help ;-)
Totally fried/shredded mine in its past life on 1.0T less minimum Land Crabs. Big GU trucks we’ve got need best Giggle inside bits also;-)
Let us not forget, these higher speed wiches (stock) are only an 8,000lb jobbie :-)


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[mudski]

Amazon for parts. Warn USA for the sticker kit

Cant I just get the sticker kit in OZ? Or are they not available here?

[MB]

Have you scored Warn-USA advertising commissions you lucky duck :-)


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[mudski]

Thought I might quickly get a few things off Amazon while before they close it off to us. I wasn't going to but, I am now. Lol. Without knowing what is needed, apart from the lower house service kit and the brake service kit. What else should be replaced regardless? I may not have time to strip it down fully by the weekend.

[Rossco]

Not sure where to get them from if possible over here. Hopefully get one for free, they used to. . .

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[mudski]

Not sure where to get them from if possible over here. Hopefully get one for free, they used to. . .

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Free?! I like the sound of that!

[MB]

Bugger the stickers sorry gents :-)
Very thankful we are to knowledgeable blokes mentioned above for suggesting extras like GigglePin Brake Shafts.
Again, we are asking an originally designed 8,000lb only winch to achieve 3.0T++ lugging/hill holding/breathtaking:-)


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[mudski]

Whats a Gigglepin brake shaft? Is it a necessity?

[Winnie]

Whats a Gigglepin brake shaft? Is it a necessity?It's a good upgrade but not necessary. Expensive.
Upgrading your Warn brakeshaft by drilling and tapping a thread into the end so you can bolt on a cap, rather than relying on the circlip is a smart move though and cheap.

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[MB]

Not on a 2.0T Land Crab :-)
http://gigglepin4x4.net/ekmps/shops/dc8187/resources/Other/supershaft-fitting-guide.pdf


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[Rossco]

Yeah it's kinda how long is a piece of string in terms of what you can do to a mod a high mount. Depends on what and how much use it gets too I guess. I would get lower and brake service kits for now then motor and rope the other little things you can do are just hardware such as drain & fill plugs breathers etc. . . Also need Albright solenoid and switch for in cab. .

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[MB]

Totally agreed and....:-)
I probably haven’t explained experiences correctly as to their OEM capabilities. GQ’s (Y60 beasts) are light / GU’s (Y61’s tanks) are heavy!
Warn HM’s do absolutely need serious upgrading to be useful on a GU Mr Mudski Family Mate Y61 !!


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[MudRunnerTD]

Cant I just get the sticker kit in OZ? Or are they not available here?

No not that i am aware of. Warn In the USA will send you one for FREE.

[MudRunnerTD]

Thought I might quickly get a few things off Amazon while before they close it off to us. I wasn't going to but, I am now. Lol. Without knowing what is needed, apart from the lower house service kit and the brake service kit. What else should be replaced regardless? I may not have time to strip it down fully by the weekend.

See this list

https://warn.com/truck/ReplacementParts/parts/225/37492F3.pdf

buy this
https://www.amazon.com/Warn-Industries-98374-Bearing-Needle/dp/B0787S7QDX/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1529934520&sr=8-1&keywords=warn+needle

add to that tot he other 2 kits and thats about all you can get off amazon

[MudRunnerTD]

Not on a 2.0T Land Crab :-)
http://gigglepin4x4.net/ekmps/shops/dc8187/resources/Other/supershaft-fitting-guide.pdf


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I have this upgrade is it is a Significant step up from the factory shaft. I really didnt get it until i fitted this and realised how bloody good it is! Impressive bit of kit. It is a lot more than just and End Cap.

Gigglepin Solenoid would be a No Brainer and if your happy to spend a bit of coin then this would make my list.

I assume your already accepting that you need a new motor and i would go with the Iskra as detailed above. This motor was not designed for Winching or vehicle applications and is an Industrial Motor. on this basis it has a different windings and brushes designed for constant load. The HP rating on them is also not based on the same scale as the Warn and Bow2 motors and they are highly regarded.

[MB]

Tis about late night time you stepped in ‘Mentor’ mate :-) !
Now please do help better explain to the masses that Warn HM’s are useless on big trucks without big bucks ;-)





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[MudRunnerTD]

Tis about late night time you stepped in ‘Mentor’ mate :-) !
Now please do help better explain to the masses that Warn HM’s are useless on big trucks without big bucks ;-)





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LOL.

The Himount is an Awesome Winch that works great. As you have explained though they really are at their limit or beyond their limit is standard trim. Going straight to a Double Line pull is not unreasonable if the winch out is not a simple one. That would be my goto.

The Comp guys have spent Bulk Coin building a Himount to be way more than what you see in those pics. Ratio Changes, Hellfire gear sets, double motors and 24v. Gigglepin Brake shafts and GP Brake shoes. GP Solenoids and GP Free spools. $$$$$

Be happy to own a HiMount. Use it, double line pull it.

[MB]

So....may I shiitstir you please Sir, what should our mate Mark do for a GU HM starter package under $2k ?


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[MudRunnerTD]

So....may I shiitstir you please Sir, what should our mate Mark do for a GU HM starter package under $2k ?


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$2k not including the buy price of the winch?

Iskra Motor $440 . https://www.the4wdshed.com/iskra-mahle-winch-motor

GP Solenoid $175 . https://www.the4wdshed.com/albright-solenoid-12v

GP Brake Shaft $400 (they have come down in price!!) https://www.the4wdshed.com/gigglepin-heavy-duty-up-rated-brakeshaft-mainshaft

Large Hook $45 https://www.the4wdshed.com/large-red-recovery-hook

30m x 12mm rope $225 . https://www.the4wdshed.com/dyneema-winch-rope-30m-x-12mm-blue

Freespool Delete $77 . https://www.the4wdshed.com/ballzy-bitz-free-spool-eliminator

GP Air Freelspool . $922 . https://www.the4wdshed.com/gigglepin-free-spool-drum-air-operated-to-suit-war~714

$2284. Say it quickly and it wont hurt!

[Rossco]

How do the Iskra motors handle spooling out no load running 12V? Know the air free spools are pretty snazzy but may be a luxury for occasional use to save a few $$ ?? . . .

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[Winnie]

How do the Iskra motors handle spooling out no load running 12V? Know the air free spools are pretty snazzy but may be a luxury for occasional use to save a few $$ ?? . . .

Sent from my SM-G930F using TapatalkYeah the air free spools are absolutely awesome no doubt about that. But unless you have a spare grand you are happy to part with they are not necessary for recreational use.
Absolute MUST have for racing though.
Hey Markie I reckon I have a brake rebuild kit here you can have, it is missing the brake discs though but you can buy those. I'll have a look in the shed on the weekend.

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[mudski]

Yeah it's kinda how long is a piece of string in terms of what you can do to a mod a high mount. Depends on what and how much use it gets too I guess. I would get lower and brake service kits for now then motor and rope the other little things you can do are just hardware such as drain & fill plugs breathers etc. . . Also need Albright solenoid and switch for in cab. .

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righto. Another stupid question. Whats an Albrite solenoid and why do I need it. I have the control box. Isn't that enough?

[MudRunnerTD]

righto. Another stupid question. Whats an Albrite solenoid and why do I need it. I have the control box. Isn't that enough?

Junk.

The solenoid is the weakest link and under the greatest stress pushing huge amps. You do eant to hear 'click' and nothing when you need it most.

The list above is what i would spend $2k on....

Nobody Ever pulls the freespool gandle to spool out. Spooling out 9n the switch is most xommon on a himount because they are fast. 12v motors running 24v dont like spooling out. Air freespool is the only way.

[mudski]

$2k not including the buy price of the winch?

Iskra Motor $440 . https://www.the4wdshed.com/iskra-mahle-winch-motor

GP Solenoid $175 . https://www.the4wdshed.com/albright-solenoid-12v

GP Brake Shaft $400 (they have come down in price!!) https://www.the4wdshed.com/gigglepin-heavy-duty-up-rated-brakeshaft-mainshaft

Large Hook $45 https://www.the4wdshed.com/large-red-recovery-hook

30m x 12mm rope $225 . https://www.the4wdshed.com/dyneema-winch-rope-30m-x-12mm-blue

Freespool Delete $77 . https://www.the4wdshed.com/ballzy-bitz-free-spool-eliminator

GP Air Freelspool . $922 . https://www.the4wdshed.com/gigglepin-free-spool-drum-air-operated-to-suit-war~714

$2284. Say it quickly and it wont hurt!

Jesus christ Darren! Thats enough to put someone off...

Yeah the air free spools are absolutely awesome no doubt about that. But unless you have a spare grand you are happy to part with they are not necessary for recreational use.
Absolute MUST have for racing though.
Hey Markie I reckon I have a brake rebuild kit here you can have, it is missing the brake discs though but you can buy those. I'll have a look in the shed on the weekend.

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Awesome mate. Thank you!

[MudRunnerTD]

Hey Markie I reckon I have a brake rebuild kit here you can have, it is missing the brake discs though but you can buy those. I'll have a look in the shed on the weekend.

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I'd hold onto that bud. You will need it one day for sure.

[MudRunnerTD]

Jesus christ Darren! Thats enough to put someone off...

Awesome mate. Thank you!


Haha. Nah mate. Spexifically Mark asked what i would spend $2k on mate. Also i included rope and a hook. Take those off and i was under the $2k mark.

[mudski]

Just got a reply email from Warn USA. They told be to contact ARB. I found them on eBay anyway.

[Winnie]

Just got a reply email from Warn USA. They told be to contact ARB. I found them on eBay anyway.This is the guy who used to send free sticker kits. I reckon he still would.
schoenfelders@warn.com

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[MB]

Absolutely love my DeltaTek air free spool gents! So easy walking out rope on your lonesome and especially in the snow when your boots are slipping you’re not being held back by the gears pressure. +76mm with thinner core is the bee knees but even standard width with thinner core will allow for not over filling the drum, no side bind up of rope when winching on angles.


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[mudski]

You guys are killing me! Hahaha! The winch will rarely get used. So I'm not wanting to spend the big dollars on it. We I can't. But at the same time I dont want it to fail when the time comes. I guess this will be a long a slow build on it.

[Winnie]

You guys are killing me! Hahaha! The winch will rarely get used. So I'm not wanting to spend the big dollars on it. We I can't. But at the same time I dont want it to fail when the time comes. I guess this will be a long a slow build on it.Don't listen to them mate you don't need most of that stuff.
Standard brake shaft will be fine, but the tapped thread and cap costs nothing and is worth doing as a free mod. You don't need an air free spool. Fill and drain plugs is a good free mod too.
I would definitely upgrade the motor and solenoid though. I reckon I spent around 600 on mine from memory, not including buying the winch.

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[mudski]

Don't listen to them mate you don't need most of that stuff.
Standard brake shaft will be fine, but the tapped thread and cap costs nothing and is worth doing as a free mod. You don't need an air free spool. Fill and drain plugs is a good free mod too.
I would definitely upgrade the motor and solenoid though. I reckon I spent around 600 on mine from memory, not including buying the winch.

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Thanks Winnie. I'll definately get the main service kits and the needle roller bearing for sure. Also the solenoid. The motor I will get checked out maybe, going by the specs its a 6hp motor. Rebrush it and replaced it with something better down the track.

Have you got pics on where to fit the fill and drain plugs?

[MudRunnerTD]

Thanks Winnie. I'll definately get the main service kits and the needle roller bearing for sure. Also the solenoid. The motor I will get checked out maybe, going by the specs its a 6hp motor. Rebrush it and replaced it with something better down the track.

Have you got pics on where to fit the fill and drain plugs?

Hi Mark. Your motor is a 2.5hp i think. At best it might be thr bewer 4.5hp but not anything bigger.

Dont get me wrong my list of mods was responding to MBs question. Not your build. Good to have in this thread though.

For you i would go
Solenoid
Motor
Drain and fill
Rope (at least 11mm)
Decent hook
And if you can afford 1 Mod it would be the GP brake shaft. No brainer. Sooo bloody good.

The GP Brake shaft removes Play in the brake shaft. Caps the end. Removes the Bushed end in favour of a Bearing and has a blueprinted taper lock. I paid $550 for mine. $400 is a bargain.

Yes you could drill and tap the existing brake shaft and it will get the mmk ob done but the stress relieved by the GP shaft as well as strength is awesome

[mudski]

Hi Mark. Your motor is a 2.5hp i think. At best it might be thr bewer 4.5hp but not anything bigger.

Dont get me wrong my list of mods was responding to MBs question. Not your build. Good to have in this thread though.

For you i would go
Solenoid
Motor
Drain and fill
Rope (at least 11mm)
Decent hook
And if you can afford 1 Mod it would be the GP brake shaft. No brainer. Sooo bloody good.

The GP Brake shaft removes Play in the brake shaft. Caps the end. Removes the Bushed end in favour of a Bearing and has a blueprinted taper lock. I paid $550 for mine. $400 is a bargain.

Yes you could drill and tap the existing brake shaft and it will get the mmk ob done but the stress relieved by the GP shaft as well as strength is awesome

Righto. I only did a quick google on my phone for the motor specs. If it’s shite I’ll get a better one for sure.

Good to have all the info in one thread too yeah...


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[Winnie]

Here was my build Mark
https://r.tapatalk.com/shareLink?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww%2Enissanpatrol%2Eco m%2Eau%2Fforums%2Fshowthread%2Ephp%3Ft%3D34005&share_tid=34005&share_fid=16273&share_type=t

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[Rossco]

Hey Markie, Yeah defiantly go the motor i reckon, Here's the fill & drain plugs on mine. . .

http://www.nissanpatrol.com.au/forums/images/imported/2018/06/167.jpg

Put the fill on the side of mine, most go on the top bit easier to fill but opted for the side but more discrete and don't bugger the decal on the top. .

http://www.nissanpatrol.com.au/forums/images/imported/2018/06/168.jpg

Also worth putting a breather in too. .

http://www.nissanpatrol.com.au/forums/images/imported/2018/06/169.jpg

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[mudski]

Spent only about 10 minutes on it tonight. Gott he control box off, the rusted on circlip on the brake shaft, then the washer and thats it. The brake cover wont budge. So its soaking in everything until I get to it next. Also order the kits from amazon too.

[mudski]

How does the brake assembly come off the shaft? I assume once the circlip is off, the whole lot should slide off? The circlip and washer were pretty rusted, so the rust is holding the rest together.
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[Rossco]

Ah yep they're a bastard ! ! Defiantly a good soak should help think I ended up putting the brake assembly in a vice and whacking the shaft and eventually got it. Might need some heat too, years of rust makes them a biatch . . . Good luck . . .

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[Hodge]

How does the brake assembly come off the shaft? I assume once the circlip is off, the whole lot should slide off? The circlip and washer were pretty rusted, so the rust is holding the rest together.
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[mudski]

Ah yep they're a bastard ! ! Defiantly a good soak should help think I ended up putting the brake assembly in a vice and whacking the shaft and eventually got it. Might need some heat too, years of rust makes them a biatch . . . Good luck . . .

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Can I remove the shaft from the casing with the brake still on it?

[MudRunnerTD]

Can I remove the shaft from the casing with the brake still on it?

Yes mate. That case is actually spring loaded. Spray and soak. Then hit hard.

[MB]

‘Penetrene’ is great stuff mate.
http://www.nissanpatrol.com.au/forums/images/imported/2018/06/177.jpg


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[Winnie]

Ah yep they're a bastard ! ! Defiantly a good soak should help think I ended up putting the brake assembly in a vice and whacking the shaft and eventually got it. Might need some heat too, years of rust makes them a biatch . . . Good luck . . .

Sent from my SM-G930F using TapatalkYep. Take the shaft out of the housing and then whack the hell out of it. Go hard.

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[MB]

Is there any issues with peening the shafts end, metal on metal, a hardwood block between advisable perhaps?


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[MB]

Friday nights, re-reading Mr Mark mate. Honest apologies if my posts have come across negative. High Mounts are awesome and please do Cherish that Beast in time $ to slowly build/come as you’ve mentioned planned.
I do worry for you and your families wellbeing with a GVM 3.4T legally increased GU beast. Rules of thumb are double your vehicles weight for a suitable recreational winch and then some for a grown family (++camper trailer) etc... General truck/winch loading advice here above has been from Genuine Top Blokes although GQ/Y60’s are at least 50% less weight than your upcoming needs. Wanking on..I’ve owned only two high mount winches over say 20 years. They are at their peak IMO in standard form on a 2.0Tish recreational truck. Double line block back will halve your speed and length if I recall correctly totally negating the benefits of a high mount barrel! Darren is passionate about brake shafts and their strengths for good reason on big trucks!


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[PeeBee]

Additionally, if you increase the hP into the drive train you increase the torque capability of the winch, which then is in excess if the gear train strength. Over time the shaft either breaks, the gears wear excessively and the bronze bugs elongates. At the end of the day the 8000lb is a fast winch built for a rating of 8000lbs max pull. I have owned 2 of them and found them a bit small for a loaded vehicle. Hence why I don't have one anymore.

If you go the bigger motor, run double pulls then I think you will have a moderate robust recovery winch that pulls at moderate amps, so the duty rating will go up. For me th bidets advantage of this winch is rope length and no tie bars across the drum to break. Going the stronger shaft is a good path also as you are going to reduce unit stress on the shaft, however if the winch is typically used say once every 3 yrs then I would probably go the tapped shaft route and gain a bit of certainty. Saying that, I used my 8000lb unit and never had a problem with the circlip.

[Hodge]

So for us (me) high-mount-naive individuals ...
In layman's terms whats the pros with the high mount ???
From my limited understanding they can fit more rope on ( in contrast to a regular low mount ) and by its default state , it is 8000 pound and is meant for double rope pulls ?
So is it the spool speed on them that attracts such price and attention ?



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[MB]

For me Hodgey mate yes! Faster and no rope bind up as Phil mentioned, they are great! Double line pulls are a slow PIA, here is a picture of 40LM of 11mm rope on the +76mm spool with the winch spaced back 10mm from bar, heaps of winding space left, even if angle winching. http://www.nissanpatrol.com.au/forums/images/imported/2018/06/195.jpg Did stuff the gears on an earlier stock one I owned and had to hold the free spool rod in manually every use thereafter.


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[Rossco]

One of the biggest advantages of a high mount is the brake which is external and sooo much better than a low mount they just hold rock solid. Also don't have the problem of heat build up in the drum which isn't good for rope. Also the difference in having solid gear drive as opposed to planetary gears in a low mount is a big difference and advantage. Crazy the difference in a warn xd9000 low mount and a high mount both running the exact same 6hp warn motor high mounts just do it faster and easier must lose so much efficiency in the planetary gears i reckon.

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[mudski]

MB no negativity sensed mate. I know what you are like and are always thinking of family and safety. As stated this will be a slow build up. If coin permits, I will go down the stronger brake shaft option for sure.
Now. How do I remove the brake shaft from the casing? Just knock in the shaft through the casing from the drum side?
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Good to see it’s never seen moisture in there too. All clean grease.
Also. Thinking of removing the gear from the top hat so I can clean it better. Just knock the shaft through the hat?
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[MB]

The 4wd Shed did all mine mate, I keep a printed copy of this in the truck always!
http://www.pirate4x4.com/tech/billavista/8274/



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[MudRunnerTD]

You need to lift this locking plate up as 8r holds the end of the brake shaft. Then you cam lever out the shaft as it is only held by an oil seal then

http://www.nissanpatrol.com.au/forums/images/imported/2018/06/196.jpg

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[MudRunnerTD]

This is what the plate looks like and it locks in the brake shaft and also the drum

http://www.nissanpatrol.com.au/forums/images/imported/2018/06/197.jpg

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[PeeBee]

One of the biggest advantages of a high mount is the brake which is external and sooo much better than a low mount they just hold rock solid. Also don't have the problem of heat build up in the drum which isn't good for rope. Also the difference in having solid gear drive as opposed to planetary gears in a low mount is a big difference and advantage. Crazy the difference in a warn xd9000 low mount and a high mount both running the exact same 6hp warn motor high mounts just do it faster and easier must lose so much efficiency in the planetary gears i reckon.

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Whats the difference in the gear reduction of high mount to low mount? The planetary boxes are designed for minimal size but still give good strength. The teeth are similar in size from memory. The hi mount is renowned for line speed for sure, whereas the low mounts are slow but torquey, and yes there is a reduction in efficiency thru the planetary box, but I would not say the low mount box is a weakness. The higher line speed will result in higher amps if the gear reduction is not as great as the low mount, which I think we all know anyway.

[Rossco]

This is what the plate looks like and it locks in the brake shaft and also the drum

http://www.nissanpatrol.com.au/forums/images/imported/2018/06/197.jpg

Sent from my SM-G955F using TapatalkAlso another free mod worth doing is bolting the plate to the housing to secure it a bit better. The only thing that holds it is it sitting in the groove in the upper housing, probably but fine just another extra sure mod to do. .

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[mudski]

Ok kinda stuck with this bloody shaft. I have flipped the locking plate and no amount of levering is moving this shaft. The seal must me that old it’s stuck in good. I even watched a YouTube vid on how to do it. I bent a big screwdriver trying to lever it out.
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I’ll have to soak the seal area in the hope it will come free.


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[MudRunnerTD]

Ok kinda stuck with this bloody shaft. I have flipped the locking plate and no amount of levering is moving this shaft. The seal must me that old it’s stuck in good. I even watched a YouTube vid on how to do it. I bent a big screwdriver trying to lever it out.
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I’ll have to soak the seal area in the hope it will come free.


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Its only a basic lip seal oil seal identical to a patrol inner axle seal. Lever away. Use a pinch bar.

[MudRunnerTD]

Use 2 pinch bars into each side of that brake assembly.

[mudski]

Use 2 pinch bars into each side of that brake assembly.

Yeah I'll give it another crack tonight maybe. I had two 24inch pry bar under there and it wasnt budging.

[MudRunnerTD]

Quick question to anybody who has played with these winches...
There are two types of brake shaft used by Warn as pictured below.

http://www.nissanpatrol.com.au/forums/images/imported/2015/07/110.jpg

I have the top, older two piece shaft. I have read that people are having trouble with the new Warn service kits and this type of shaft, in that after assembly there is too much play and the ball bearings can drop out, apparently the spring may not be long enough?
Has anybody used this shaft and run into this problem?

Another question I have, and I did not pay attention when pulling it down...
On the rebuild videos on the web I have not seen anybody reuse the small keys that Warn supply in the rebuild kit. Can somebody show me where these go? I know on the brake shaft but at what time...

Items 36 on this diagram
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New motor and service kits are due to me next Monday.... can't wait, I am going to get the motor colour matched and use that to paint the housings.


OK so in the photos above taken for Winnies rebuild thread you can see 2 things.

Firstly Item 44 is the Oil seal that you are levering out.

Secondly. in the above photo you can see the right hand end of the brake shaft has a groove in it, that grove is locked in by that slotted plate that you have lifted. I note you now have spun that and flipped it upside down? I bet a box of JD that you have re-engaged that slot with that plate. Jiggle that plate around while levering the brake shaft and it will all come out pretty easy.

[mudski]

OK so in the photos above taken for Winnies rebuild thread you can see 2 things.

Firstly Item 44 is the Oil seal that you are levering out.

Secondly. in the above photo you can see the right hand end of the brake shaft has a groove in it, that grove is locked in by that slotted plate that you have lifted. I note you now have spun that and flipped it upside down? I bet a box of JD that you have re-engaged that slot with that plate. Jiggle that plate around while levering the brake shaft and it will all come out pretty easy.

Hand that box of JD over mate. I made sure it was spun around and not catching on the shaft. When I lever it, the shaft does move, maybe 5mm or so then stops. Im just worries Im gonna punch a hole in the housing while levering. Im going the right way, it just needs some more power. 80kgs on the bar obviously aint enough. :D

[MudRunnerTD]

Sorry had it around the wrong way. This is the groove that plate would slot into mate. There really is only a single brass oil seal holding it in. The rest of that end is slotted into the housing with a little roller bearing.

If you can see that slot pulling away from the case on the inside then its the seal. If you can't then that end might be seized in but i cant imagine anything would spin if it was seized. Put some of your leverage in there mate

http://www.nissanpatrol.com.au/forums/images/imported/2018/07/27.jpg

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[MB]

Bring it over to the Hills Mark mate, great excuse to encourage Daz for a brew visit again to best help too mate! Rossco’s a hop skip away also and plenty of ‘Penetrene’ and ‘warm’ torches awaiting :-)
Sh#t scared you’re gonna crack cast casing, let us all assess it over 10 together:-)


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[mudski]

So I got home, and went straight into the garage and gave it a good crack and it finally popped out. A fair bit of force was needed but its out.Thank you to Darren for the encouragement. The bush behind the seal was the bugger I reckon. Now its all having a good bath in the parts washing tub. I need to get a new locking plate now as the other one is looking a bit bent up...

[MB]

Whacky ‘theory’ but once cleaned and fully dried would ‘oxide’ dry rub then blown off show up any cast areas of concern for us all on housings?


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[mudski]

I decided to bight the bullet and bought the Gigglepin brake shaft kit. Thinking over what MB said earlier, the GU is a tank, safety first. Ended up paying $376 including delivery for it. I couldn't say no. I'm wondering if the Giggplepin top hat shaft upgrade kit is worth doing too. The gear seems fine in mine, spins nice, not lose or notchy.

[MB]

We’re all happy if you’re happy, bargain mate! Now load that puppy up with an Iskra/Mahle on some serious engine amps, awesome:-)


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[MB]

Nice edit, happy days still mate :-)
We might have a standard width Delta air drum floating around so you can blank that off I believe? Would need replacement within say 12 UK £ months ;-)


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[mudski]

Nice edit, happy days still mate :-)
We might have a standard width Delta air drum floating around so you can blank that off I believe? Would need replacement within say 12 UK £ months ;-)


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Sorry Mark. I have no idea what that is.

[MB]

Lugged two home years back before Australian exclusivity as genuine checked baggage. +76mm I’m currently running, other is still 12 months away being installed: http://delta-tek.co.uk/11-freespool-drum.html
RoadRunner I believe now have the Aussie ripper deals bulk landed and in stock always!


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[MudRunnerTD]

So I got home, and went straight into the garage and gave it a good crack and it finally popped out. A fair bit of force was needed but its out.Thank you to Darren for the encouragement. The bush behind the seal was the bugger I reckon. Now its all having a good bath in the parts washing tub. I need to get a new locking plate now as the other one is looking a bit bent up...

I blew a locking plate in the bush a few years ago and had to replace it. I 9rdered one lically ans for stuffed around and ordered on off amazon and they noth arrived the same bloody day. Happy to sell you one Mark. I th8nk i have 2.in a drawer that i will never fit. Still in packages

[mudski]

Lugged two home years back before Australian exclusivity as genuine checked baggage. +76mm I’m currently running, other is still 12 months away being installed: http://delta-tek.co.uk/11-freespool-drum.html
RoadRunner I believe now have the Aussie ripper deals bulk landed and in stock always!


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righto. what are you wanting for it? Edit : Never mind. just saw what they are worth. A bit out of my league. Would be a nice addition though.

I blew a locking plate in the bush a few years ago and had to replace it. I 9rdered one lically ans for stuffed around and ordered on off amazon and they noth arrived the same bloody day. Happy to sell you one Mark. I th8nk i have 2.in a drawer that i will never fit. Still in packages
Ordered and paid for it last night Darren. Cheers for the offer though mate. I also bought the freespool eliminator too. After some reading it seems the freespool lever is a waste of time to use and has been known to freespool by itself. Not taking that chance, so for $70 it was a no brainer.

Darren you think the top hat bearing upgrade kit would be worth it?
https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Gigglepin-Top-Housing-Bush-Kit-For-Warn-8274/202095776326?hash=item2f0dd8d246:g:4WUAAOSw1JVZ9B~ S

[MudRunnerTD]

righto. what are you wanting for it? Edit : Never mind. A bit out of my league. Would be a nice addition though.

Ordered and paid for it last night Darren. Cheers for the offer though mate. I also bought the freespool eliminator too. After some reading it seems the freespool lever is a waste of time to use and has been known to freespool by itself. Not taking that chance, so for $70 it was a no brainer.

Darren you think the top hat bearing upgrade kit would be worth it?
https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Gigglepin-Top-Housing-Bush-Kit-For-Warn-8274/202095776326?hash=item2f0dd8d246:g:4WUAAOSw1JVZ9B~ S

Not really mate. I fitted it to ABs winch specifically because we had to swap out the top hat gear. Warn dont sell a separate tophat gear. The tophat is a single part number and not serviceable. GP have deaigned that part so it is.

[MudRunnerTD]

Not really mate. I fitted it to ABs winch specifically because we had to swap out the top hat gear. Warn dont sell a separate tophat gear. The tophat is a single part number and not serviceable. GP have deaigned that part so it is.

Guys running Hellfire gear sets have to change that tophat gear too so that would have been the catalyst for GP designing a bush replacement there. its a cool little kit but a very very small % gain.

[MB]

Stop pulling little old 2.5hp geared scrub weeds out AB mate or we’ll have to get Daz to install some Demons in your 8724 15mm cable, my old bad :-)
Nice 6hp rebuild for sure gents!!
“Hellfire’s” sound wicked Darren, please do kindly teach what they’re all about?
Well beyond our needs but we’re super keen to learn a bit please brother!


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[mudski]

I gave the entire winch a bath yesterday evening. The brake assembly came apart fairly easily after soaking in the bath for a few days. my only concern in the facing of the brake assembly. Its pitted quite bad where the bearings runs. Think I'm up for new plates. Outside of it clean up pretty good though...
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Thinking of putting a drum brace kit on it too while I'm at it.

[Winnie]

Came up clean mate, that wearing inside is odd though! Haven't seen that before and not sure what to think about it.

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[mudski]

Came up clean mate, that wearing inside is odd though! Haven't seen that before and not sure what to think about it.

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Bearings running dry and had a hammering. Wonder if I could get the facing welded up then machined back or something. I definitely cant use it how it is.

[Winnie]

They are supposed to run dry though.

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[mudski]

They are supposed to run dry though.

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Oh ok. Just had a hammering then.


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[MudRunnerTD]

Yeah that bearing wear is disappointing. Replace the plates mate.

[MudRunnerTD]

Yes put a brace kit on it for sure.

[mudski]

The price for two plates is not far off a GP brake assembly. When the funds allow for more parts I need to do something about this.


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[MudRunnerTD]

The price for two plates is not far off a GP brake assembly. When the funds allow for more parts I need to do something about this.


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Chase a second hand one mate. someone with a box of bitss might have a spare they will sell you for $50. you only need the one that is worn which i assume is the outer one?

[PeeBee]

Failing that, I think a machinist could face up that surface and you might lose 0.5mm at a guess by the photo? If it was a piece of gear in industry, thats what I would be doing. The brake should not be affected as it has to cope with friction pad wear anyway, food for thought.

[mudski]

Yeah the outer plate is the worst. I'll put an APB on the Warn FB page in the hope someone has spares.

[MudRunnerTD]

Yeah the outer plate is the worst. I'll put an APB on the Warn FB page in the hope someone has spares.

Post on the himount page.

[MudRunnerTD]

Yeah the outer plate is the worst. I'll put an APB on the Warn FB page in the hope someone has spares.

Mudski. Got you some on FB. Check your thread mate. Jeff builds heaps of them and should look after you.

[mudski]

Mudski. Got you some on FB. Check your thread mate. Jeff builds heaps of them and should look after you.

Thanks Darren. I have pméd him.

[mudski]

Few bits turned up today. The Warn kits from the US, the freespool delete and the GP brake shaft. Still need to find the brake plates but things will halt on this until I get the GU back on the road.
http://www.nissanpatrol.com.au/forums/images/imported/2018/07/102.jpg


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[MudRunnerTD]

Did old mate work a good price for you for those plates or want drug money mate?

[mudski]

Did old mate work a good price for you for those plates or want drug money mate?

Haven't heard from him Darren. I'll shoot him a message in a day or so.

[mudski]

Seems Im going to have to just order a GP brake assembly and be done with it. Cannot find both plates second hand, the one plate I did find was $100, another $36 and I can get a brand new one. So for roughly another $100 on top of both plates new, I can get the GP assembly.

[MB]

It’ll be a beast mate!
Beautiful Sh1t we ‘can’ do up there (VHC) safely and solid winches IMHO are key [emoji106]


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[mudski]

It’ll be a beast mate!
Beautiful Sh1t we ‘can’ do up there (VHC) safely and solid winches IMHO are key [emoji106]


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turns out i need an end plate too now. After a good clean up of it, where the plastic bush sits its cracked right around. This is going to be a 2k winch when its done by the looks of it...

[MB]

Scary hey, but awesome in the end mate!

EDIT: And round two....playing around with high output alternators gets exy real quick also but your Mahle motor beast will love you for it if we can stop the alts cooking diodies :-)

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[Hodge]

No point rebuilding.
Buy the whole thing soon.

http://www.nissanpatrol.com.au/forums/images/imported/2018/10/201.jpg

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[mudski]

Have they just copied Gigglepin with the upgrades maybe?

As for my hi mount build. Its just sitting here in pieces at the moment. No time to scratch myself lately.

[Hodge]

Have they just copied Gigglepin with the upgrades maybe?

As for my hi mount build. Its just sitting here in pieces at the moment. No time to scratch myself lately.I have no idea Marko, nor do I have any clue about high mounts...
That's just what I saw on Facceache and screengrabbed it.

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[mudski]

I have no idea Marko, nor do I have any clue about high mounts...
That's just what I saw on Facceache and screengrabbed it.

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Without looking more into it I reckon the new version will be along the lines of the GP upgrades. It would be interesting to know if the upgraded parts for the new model can be shoe horned into the older model.

[Winnie]

Without looking more into it I reckon the new version will be along the lines of the GP upgrades. It would be interesting to know if the upgraded parts for the new model can be shoe horned into the older model.I reckon it's just a new motor.

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[MB]

Half cut here Friday, anyone able to kindly find and post up a new speccy sheet for our waffle making freshy hopefully the bees knees?



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[PeeBee]

Half cut here Friday, anyone able to kindly find and post up a new speccy sheet for our waffle making freshy hopefully the bees knees?



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WTF are you talking about MB? 'waffle making freshy'?

[PeeBee]

I reckon it's just a new motor.

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I agree. If they are doing it from scratch, which they are not, they would look to match the same duty factor of the gears to the pull/motor HP. Since the casing looks the same, the gear ratio and the gear set will be the same, now putting more HP thru the same tooth module = lower FOS and lower duty rate. Not my way of engineering a drive train, but I guess for the amount of time these units typically get used in reality , the extra tooth wear is negligible. I guess others have been running higher HP thru these same gear sets for ages, so in some regards my comments are moot. No doubt Warn have done the numbers as they have to warranty them as well. So for me, the upgrade is heading in the wrong direction, so I would not buy one, and for the record i have had 2 of the High mounts on previous vehicles, didn't rate them, but they were 'standard' units, not with GP and motor upgrades.

[MudRunnerTD]

I reckon it's just a new motor.

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Nah looks like the Brake Shaft is Tapped and Capped and there is something on the top housing that i cant make out. If it is faster then it likley has a +40% Mainm Gear in it too which would give it the upsec wieght rating too. A bearing end plate would be a nice addition too.

[MudRunnerTD]

No point rebuilding.
Buy the whole thing soon.

http://www.nissanpatrol.com.au/forums/images/imported/2018/10/201.jpg

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FEATURES AND BENEFITS:

High-output 6 HP motor for 10,000 lb.(4536 kg) pulling capacity and competition-level line speed
IP68 waterproof and submersible Albright electrical contactor controls
150ft of 3/8” (46m of 9.5mm) diameter Spydura® synthetic rope
High-strength polymer control pack housing with throwback WARN® hublock logo
Forged and polished 6061-T6 billet aluminum hawse fairlead for total corrosion resistance
Newly designed stainless steel clutch knob
Commemorative stainless steel drum end plate
Two Oilite® bushings installed on pinion gear assembly for improved wear resistance
Bolt-and-washer secures brake shaft delivers enhanced durability
Winch is individually numbered with special edition labels
Limited to 999 units worldwide
Made in the USA
Special Part Number Assignment: PN 101070: 10K lb pulling capacity, 10 improvements, Warn 70th anniversary release

https://www.usoffroad.us/store/winches/vehicle-winches/warn/classic-specialty/warn-8274-70-70th-anniversary-winch/

[MB]

No waffle there mate, specs sound great, must have a thinner core spool too by the sounds of it!


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[mudski]

Just an update on this build. I sent of the drum and lower housing and end plate to a guy near by who apparently is the guru for Warn winches, Leslie SG and Sons. He rebuilds winches and mods brand new High mounts for competition ready. After talking with this guy for about an hour and seeing some of his work, I cam to a conclusion that this guys knows his shit. He had winches everywhere that people send to him to rebuild.
So I took in my drum and lower housing and end plate for him to weld up the braces and install a bearing in the end plate.
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I ended up with a fully modded drum. 3mm thicker side plates on the drum with machined edges so they don't slice into the rope, the drum is smaller now I can fit 40m on rope and there is a groove in the end of the drum with an o ring fitted to ensure extra protection against water ingress. Plus a drian port added to the housing.
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All I need to do is add a fill port to the top housing and breather.

So after I drill and tap for the fill port, its just about time to put it back together.

[MudRunnerTD]

Nice one Mark. What did the drum mods cost you. Did you ask Mal to drill and tap your brake shaft or did you buy a gigglepin one?

[mudski]

Nice one Mark. What did the drum mods cost you. Did you ask Mal to drill and tap your brake shaft or did you buy a gigglepin one?

I have the GP brake shaft so no drilling and tapping required. It was $800 for all the work done. More than I anticipated but atleast its done, and properly.