Vehicle Engineers reports, 4WD Modification rules, whats allowed, what not...

[mudski]

So the though of getting my Patrol engineered has been playing on my mind for quite some time. I have a car I love, I have put my heart and soul into, not to mention money, I have it insured, and well covered, but theres just that one little thing that playing in the back of my head constantly like a tick tock of a ZD30 clock. My mods.
So I though this is the next thing on my list to do before any other mods. BloodyAussie and myself have talking about this and he has spoken with a workshop and was told, two days needed for the car. One day for workshop stuff on the car, I would assume it would be like getting a road worthy done, they will check over everything. And the other day for the Engineer to come in and do their thing... Also a dyno test has to be done if you have added a turbo, or even put a bigger turbo on a factory turbo engine. As in the state of Victoria, if the vehicles total power output exceeds 20% from standard, this means just about every Patrol owner then lol, this needs to be reported on the engineers cert and also an emissions test done. Approximate cost for the two days was $1600. Put a 3inch pipe and chip on your ZD30 and i reckon you'll be pushing the envelope maybe...
Please correct me BA if that or other info is wrong...
I have rang one place local to me, waiting on them to ring, in the meantime I rang another mob also local, and I was told, anything over 50mm total height will need a swerve test performed, "even at 50mm I will need to do a swerve test". I was told. Hmmm. So a air strip or track needs to be hired, and a certified tester is also needed to run the tests on your vehicle. I was then told nearly all tests he has done have failed and the cost for this starts at $2600!!! Holy hell! I'm not sure if I should be naming the engineers I contacted yet? I might wait for the approval from the powers to be on this....

So I have sat down this arvo, made a cuppa and started googling, researching, anything I can find on info that may help me and others out there.
So here is a list of links that I found very interesting to read and if anyone else has links or what ever info that you wish to post up. Please do so. So all of us have one place to go to for info. Also please post us what state to these rules belong to as each state and territory have their own set of rules...
So.
Third Edition ADRs – Applicability Summary Passenger Vehicles

https://infrastructure.gov.au/roads/motor/design/pdf/ADR_Applicability_Summary_M_Group.pdf

VICTORIA
Here is a link to the list of Victorian VASS approved engineers around Victoria...
https://www.vicroads.vic.gov.au/~/media/files/formsandpublications/registration/vass_signatories_by_location.ashx?la=en

An extra Engineer to the list. NOT in the downloadable list....
http://www.bonneville.com.au/

http://www.enkelman.com.au/

This is a great site for info worth reading about the rules, regs and anything in between...
http://www.outbacktravelaustralia.com.au/4wd-mods-general-mods/4wd-modification-legalities-updated-jan-2014

See this link for a copy of the Vehicle Standards Bulletin VSB14, supplied in the above link also...
https://infrastructure.gov.au/roads/vehicle_regulation/bulletin/vsb_ncop.aspx

See this link for the ADR's. Australian Design Rules.
https://infrastructure.gov.au/roads/motor/standards/index.aspx

This link is from the VSB14, regarding Tyres, Rims, steering and Suspension. Go to pages 70-74. This is in regards to 50-150mm suspension lifts and there is a check list
https://infrastructure.gov.au/roads/vehicle_regulation/bulletin/pdf/NCOP11_Section_LS_Tyres_Suspension_Steering_Nov_20 15_v4.pdf

Heres is the NCOP test procedure bulletin. This shows what needs to be done during testing. Go to pages 18-24 for the Lane change test procedures and check list.
https://infrastructure.gov.au/roads/vehicle_regulation/bulletin/pdf/NCOP12_Section_LT_Test_Procedures_V2_0_1Jan2011_v3 .pdf
(https://infrastructure.gov.au/roads/vehicle_regulation/bulletin/pdf/NCOP12_Section_LT_Test_Procedures_V2_0_1Jan2011_v3 .pdf)
Vicroads Guide to Modifications for Motor Vehicles...
https://www.vicroads.vic.gov.au/~/media/files/documents/safety-and-road-rules/vsinumber8guidetomodificationsformotorvehicles.ash x?la=en

(https://www.vicroads.vic.gov.au/~/media/files/documents/safety-and-road-rules/vsinumber8guidetomodificationsformotorvehicles.ash x?la=en)Heres a link to the 4wd Council website too...
http://www.4wdcouncil.com.au/

SOUTH AUSTRALIA
Also a list to all certified engineers in sa
https://www.sa.gov.au/topics/transport-travel-and-motoring/motoring/vehicles-and-registration/vehicle-standards-and-modifications/chassis-and-body-modifications

Suspension Mods SA
https://www.sa.gov.au/topics/transport-travel-and-motoring/motoring/vehicles-and-registration/vehicle-standards-and-modifications/suspension-modification
(https://www.sa.gov.au/topics/transport-travel-and-motoring/motoring/vehicles-and-registration/vehicle-standards-and-modifications/suspension-modificationAftermarket)
Aftermarket mods
https://www.sa.gov.au/topics/transport-travel-and-motoring/motoring/vehicles-and-registration/vehicle-standards-and-modifications/aftermarket-components


NEW SOUTH WALES
Modified and non-standard vehicles
http://www.rms.nsw.gov.au/roads/registration/get-nsw-registration/modified-nonstandard.html

Vehicle Safety Compliance Certification Scheme (VSCCS)
http://www.rms.nsw.gov.au/business-industry/examiners/vsccs/index.html
New laws regarding suspension lifts in NSW
https://mr4x4.com.au/4x4-suspension-lift-laws-changed/

WESTERN AUSTRALIA

Department of Transport - Modify or construct a vehicle

http://www.transport.wa.gov.au/licensing/modify-or-construct-a-vehicle.asp

NCOP Discussion forum. Heres another place for some good reading....
http://www.ncop.org.au/forum/
Seems to be overrun by the Russians though.....
Current vehicle lift allowances for all australian states and jurisdictions
http://www.ncop.org.au/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/Australian-National-Code-of-Practice-State-Mis-Alignment-DRAFT.pdf


I'm sure theres plenty more info out there. I hope this can continue on with plenty of healthy and constructive discussions, as to have one place with all the info will be a great help... It would be great to hear from people who have had an engineers test done, and who did it, what was test, and how, and the all important. How much? I hope the links work and enjoy the reading... I have pages printed out spread all over my desk now and I'm still confused as I was before. Lol.
Any info I get from now from the engineers I ring I will be sure to post up...

I took this from NissanGQ4.2's thread in the suspension section... Thanks mate for the info.

Interesting read for all the Vic members.

Victorian Vehicle Certification Requirements relaxed for 4WD owners

Category: LATEST NEWS
The Australian 4WD Industry Council (a Division of the Australian Automotive Aftermarket Association) has been working over many years with State Transport Departments to change Regulation to make it easier for 4WD owners to perform minor modifications to their vehicles to improve handling and safety.

Late 2011, VicRoads released their Guide to Modification for Motor Vehicles Vehicle Standards Information Sheet No 8, which allows ‘Owner Certification’ for ride height increases for 4WD vehicles that would have required "Engineering Certification" under the National Guidelines for vehicle modification.

VicRoads' new VSI 8 regulation permits "Owner Certified" 4WD ride height increases up to 75mm, with 50mm maximum allowed for suspension lift, plus a 25mm increase resulting from fitment of a tyre with 50mm greater outside diameter, provided the modifications are undertaken using a commercially available lift kit that has been specially designed and tested for the vehicle application. Under the national guidelines, 'Owner Certified' lifts are limited to 50mm.

VSI 8 eliminates confusion that previously existed about allowable changes with suspension and / or tyre size. And now 4WD owners do not need to waste time and money on securing an engineering certification to make minor modifications to improve the safety and off road performance of their vehicle.

VSI 08 also addresses the matter of vehicle modifications where the vehicle is fitted with Electronic Stability Control. Electronic Stability Control (ESC) will be a mandated technology on all vehicles sold in Australia from 2013 onwards.

A copy of VSI 08 can be downloaded from the link: http://www.vicroads.vic.gov.au/NR/rd...orvehicles.pdf .

A copy of VSB14 can be downloaded from the link: http://www.infrastructure.gov.au/roa.../vsb_ncop.aspx

The 4WD Industry Council strongly encourages owners to purchase vehicle modification products from reputable suppliers.

PRESS RELEASE – February 17th, 2012




http://www.mr4x4.com.au/index.php/latest-news

http://www.vicroads.vic.gov.au/NR/rd...orvehicles.pdf

- Cross Country / Fairline bonnet scoop -

See the links below for the Certificate of Assessment by Cross Country,
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B9vtUnobmrF8R0ROSld6aWIwMW8/view

and a cut out of Vehicle Standard Bulletin VSB14. Section LH for the Australian standards on whats allowed for bonnet scoops.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B9vhdIIe9CXvZTdUVHV5OEI0NXc/view




I found a couple of YouTube vids on a swerve test being done. Doesn't seem that hard to fail....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uZTe31k2mfo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8TJl4yqvrPE


If anyone has any aftermarket accessories on their ride and they can supply a certificate of compliance like the Cross Country one to keep things legal and Mr.Plod happy please let me know, pm me or email me the documents and I can add it onto this thread

[BigRAWesty]

Ok this I do know..
In SA here to run a larger tyre legally the speedo simply has to legal, so between -10 to 0% of a GPS reading..
So 35's and some 4.3 or better still 4.6 diffs, $300 (from memory), a couple of hours and we're sweet..

He made chassis mods sound just as easy but I didn't dig this one as all I was enquiring about was a 3rb baby point in the middle row, which rolled onto mod mods as it does lol..

[threedogs]

There is no way on this earth Im spending $4200 plus just to be able to run 35" tyres and a lift over 2"
I would rather spend the money on fitting twin diff locks, just a blatant waste of money if you ask me
Maybe Portals might be the way to go

[mudski]

Thanks Kallen. Can you provide and links to the rules regarding this? Not saying I don't trust you, but we don't want someone doing something to their truck, because they heard they could, only to realise they can't. Having links will just stop any disagreements...

[BigRAWesty]

It was from the engineers mouth in Adelaide..
I'll try track his number..

[Bloodyaussie]

I have heard far too many conflicting stories when it comes to engineering and find it frustrating.

It would be great to hear from people who have first hand had their car engineered .
Mudski and myself will continue to find out as much as we can and share what we find.

[Winnie]

It was from the engineers mouth in Adelaide..
I'll try track his number..
From what I can gather, you cannot engineer 35s on Nissan axles.

[Bush Ranger]

There is no way on this earth Im spending $4200 plus just to be able to run 35" tyres and a lift over 2"
I would rather spend the money on fitting twin diff locks, just a blatant waste of money if you ask me
Maybe Portals might be the way to go

I was looking at some portals a couple of years ago and was told they weren`t legal in Qld.

[Hodge]

Here is a link to VicRoads' guide to modifications to motor vehicles. May come in handy... Has a few "simpler" points, compared to Mudskis more thorough link ...



https://www.google.com/url?q=https://www.vicroads.vic.gov.au/~/media/files/documents/safety-and-road-rules/vsinumber8guidetomodificationsformotorvehicles.ash x%3Fla%3Den&sa=U&ved=0ahUKEwiaoqu-q9vKAhXLl5QKHeYLBe0QFggHMAE&client=internal-uds-cse&usg=AFQjCNGbYMKQbaRwh6wxqU-Hksk8RiqTwQ

[mudski]

There is no way on this earth Im spending $4200 plus just to be able to run 35" tyres and a lift over 2"
I would rather spend the money on fitting twin diff locks, just a blatant waste of money if you ask me
Maybe Portals might be the way to go
John its not about whether yourself or anyone is willing to spend the coin on something like this. I created this thread to try and consolidate as much info on this topic as possible so its easier for others wanting to research on this. As from what i have found from forum surfing, googling etc is the same. No definitive answer.

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[NissanGQ4.2]

Good luck with opening up this can of worms guys,

Not sure in other States but in NSW all mods have to be certified by a licensed certifier no longer an engineer.

And the reason they charge so much is probably 2 do with this

"As a certifier, you need to hold $20 million public liability insurance and $5 million professional indemnity insurance"

And the fact there is no set charge, its just negotiated between certifiers and their customers.




Links for NSW

Modified and non-standard vehicles

http://www.rms.nsw.gov.au/roads/registration/get-nsw-registration/modified-nonstandard.html

Vehicle Safety Compliance Certification Scheme (VSCCS)

http://www.rms.nsw.gov.au/business-industry/examiners/vsccs/index.html

[BigRAWesty]

Sa body and chassis mods..
Also a list to all certified engineers in sa. Nick I'm pretty sure in the bloke I spoke to..

https://www.sa.gov.au/topics/transport-travel-and-motoring/motoring/vehicles-and-registration/vehicle-standards-and-modifications/chassis-and-body-modifications

Suspension Mods SA
https://www.sa.gov.au/topics/transport-travel-and-motoring/motoring/vehicles-and-registration/vehicle-standards-and-modifications/suspension-modification

Aftermarket mods
https://www.sa.gov.au/topics/transport-travel-and-motoring/motoring/vehicles-and-registration/vehicle-standards-and-modifications/aftermarket-components

I Did not know turbo timers were illegal..

[the evil twin]

snip..
And the reason they charge so much is probably 2 do with this

"As a certifier, you need to hold $20 million public liability insurance and $5 million professional indemnity insurance"

And the fact there is no set charge, its just negotiated between certifiers and their customers.




Plus they will need to hold the insurance for a minimum of 5 years after they cease certifications and the kicker is not the amount (every tradey etc has at least that amount) but the risk of the vocation. In the case of Automotive related businesses the risk that you will get involved in law suits is astronomically high to say a Fridge Tech or a PC repairer


snip...

I Did not know turbo timers were illegal..

I did but every time I post it up the fact it ends up starting an 'animated discussion' so I gave up...

But I applaud the intent of the thread and perhaps a 'cut and paste' of all links as they filter in could be either collated and added to the first post of the thread or put up as a sticky?

[mudski]

Good luck with opening up this can of worms guys,

Not sure in other States but in NSW all mods have to be certified by a licensed certifier no longer an engineer.

And the reason they charge so much is probably 2 do with this

"As a certifier, you need to hold $20 million public liability insurance and $5 million professional indemnity insurance"

And the fact there is no set charge, its just negotiated between certifiers and their customers.



Wouldn't think the 20mil public liability insurance would be the deal breaker. I have it on my other business and its only $2500 p/a for it. I think it just more of a case of its a specialised thing so we charge a specialised price. Lol

Edit : What ET said.
I could cut and paste the links into state by state in the OP. I think will help scanning through threads???


From what I can gather, you cannot engineer 35s on Nissan axles.

From my limited understanding from the jibberish in some of these links. The ruling on 35's isn't governed on vehicle vendor. Its more so just on the size of the tyre. I found no words, so far, mentioning Nissan Patrol.

[jay see]

With so much 4wds out that are probably illegal this is a good thing. Well done Mudski for starting. :thumbup:

I thing I can't understand is why every state needs to be different. Makes not sense.

Me I don't have any attentions to be going overly modified, but I would like to be able to run at least a 35" out on the tracks. Safely and Legally.

[NissanGQ4.2]

Added WA to the OP and have made this a sticky

[the evil twin]

Wouldn't think the 20mil public liability insurance would be the deal breaker. I have it on my other business and its only $2500 p/a for it. I think it just more of a case of its a specialised thing so we charge a specialised price. Lol



You'll find the premium for the same $ value of cover probably varies wildly depending on the nature of the business (sama sama as Car Comprehensive Insurance)
IE a low risk business will pay waaay less than, say, a business that repos' Harleys...

[NissanGQ4.2]

I wonder how many vehicles have aftermarket turbo's that need certification

From NSW VSI6

Examples requiring certification:

• Fitting a turbocharger/supercharger to any vehicle of a make and model not offered with a turbocharger/supercharger by the manufacturer.

• Modifications to a vehicle with a power output of 100 kilowatts, which results in a power output of greater than 120 kilowatts.

[Winnie]

I wonder how many vehicles have aftermarket turbo's that need certification

From NSW VSI6

Examples requiring certification:

• Fitting a turbocharger/supercharger to any vehicle of a make and model not offered with a turbocharger/supercharger by the manufacturer.

• Modifications to a vehicle with a power output of 100 kilowatts, which results in a power output of greater than 120 kilowatts.
I'm covered! Nissan did offer a turbo TD42 patrol, and mine puts out 119kW!

[BigRAWesty]

I'm covered! Nissan did offer a turbo TD42 patrol, and mine puts out 119kW!
But not a gq in aus

[nissannewby]

But not a gq in aus

It was a dealer option.

[BigRAWesty]

It was a dealer option.
Really. So why so many issues with cops, engineering etc?

[Winnie]

But not a gq in aus
Not a GQ but a Nissan Patrol.
When I had my EA Falcon, it had a 3.9L
I swapped it for a 4L from an EL. The 4L was not available in the EA but vicroads were fine with me registering it with that motor because it was from a Ford Falcon.

[nissannewby]

Really. So why so many issues with cops, engineering etc?

Misinformed cops and vehicle operators.

As far as I'm aware you can have all the engineering in the world but it can still be called illegal.

[mudnut]

Not a GQ but a Nissan Patrol.
When I had my EA Falcon, it had a 3.9L
I swapped it for a 4L from an EL. The 4L was not available in the EA but vicroads were fine with me registering it with that motor because it was from a Ford Falcon.

So with that logic, I could fit a TB48 with a carby into my Q?

[Clunk]

But not a gq in aus
Dealer optioned mate


Edit.... nevermind

[mudski]

So with that logic, I could fit a TB48 with a carby into my Q?

No. Well yes. No without an engies, yes with an engies....
Words from Vic Roads when I did the conversion. The motor must come from the same make and model vehicle...

Here's a snip from their website
" Change of engine


There are 3 scenarios that could apply when changing an engine.
Change of engine - scenario 1



The replacement engine is identical to the original engine.
The replacement engine is an option allowed by the manufacturer for the same model vehicle.

Documents required:


if the engine is optional to the original, a signed declaration from the registered operator, motor mechanic, or dealer in that make of vehicle or an Automotive Engineer certifying the engine is optional for the vehicle model, and that all modifications made by the manufacturer for the same vehicle model with that optional engine have been completed "


And the link to read from....
https://www.vicroads.vic.gov.au/registration/vehicle-modifications-and-defects/vehicle-modifications/notify-vicroads-of-changes-and-modifications

(https://www.vicroads.vic.gov.au/registration/vehicle-modifications-and-defects/vehicle-modifications/notify-vicroads-of-changes-and-modifications)
I know when I approached VR about this I need proof of the optioned motor. I rang Nissan head office and they emailed me the original flyer for the year my car came out. It had all the options listed. VR were happy with that. I wonder if they the GQ flyer still....

[mudski]

Here is another Engineer I spoke to today. Which is NOT in the listed of VASS approved engineers, although he is. It seems the list we get is outdated somewhat. He does NOT do suspension though, only engines, he advised me that Talk Torque Automotive in Eltham do. (He's listed in the VASS engineers approved link) But you think i can get a hold of this guy?

http://www.bonneville.com.au/

[mudnut]

Thanks. I was talking to the Dyno guy today, while he was tuning a racing commodore that had an ecotech V6 fitted with a holley. It got me thinking about what to do if/when the Rb30 ever gives up the ghost.

[mudski]

I'm covered! Nissan did offer a turbo TD42 patrol, and mine puts out 119kW!
In Vic its 20% of the total power output. So if your over that, technically you need an engineers report.
Snip from VSB14, section LA page 30

"SPECIFIC REQUIREMENTS

The following requirements apply to turbocharger and supercharger installations.
1 CERTIFICATION OPTIONS

Forced induction conversions such as turbocharging or supercharging have the capacity to
substantially increase a vehicle’s power and performance and are generally considered on the
same basis as a performance engine conversion.
The following are the options for certifying turbocharger and supercharger installations:
 A turbocharger (or supercharger) installation does not require certification, if the
installation is available as an option from the original vehicle manufacturer. All vehicle
components that were supplied by the manufacturer as part of the original specification
for the turbocharged vehicle must also be fitted.
 A turbocharger (or supercharger) installation can be performed under Code LA1 only if
the original engine was supplied with a turbocharged option and a non original equipment
turbocharger (or supercharger) is fitted that does not increase the original most powerful
engine power output by more than 20%.
 A non original equipment engine with its turbocharger/supercharger may be installed
under Code LA1 provided the power output is not 20% more than"


20 percent wouldn't be that hard to achieve I think for just about any engine. Especially the late model CRD's. I saw a V8 crusier in one of the 4wd mags. It was chipped and it went from something like 119kw to 190kw! Just from a chip.


Seems this may be more difficult just to get someone than actually getting the certificate. Rang two, one can't, the other just didn't sound interested. The one I need to talk to won't ring back. Ugh! I'll give it a few weeks and I will just ring Brett up at 4x4 Obsession I think.
Mental note. Get rid of my headlights first. Lol.

[TuffTD42]

NSW. I engineered my GU late last year for 3" exhaust,4" lift & 35's cost me $1200 & that was with the swerve test & brake test. Passed with flying colours. Your whole vehicle has to comply regardless if your only getting one thing engineered.

[BigRAWesty]

NSW. I engineered my GU late last year for 3" exhaust,4" lift & 35's cost me $1200 & that was with the swerve test & brake test. Passed with flying colours. Your whole vehicle has to comply regardless if your only getting one thing engineered.
What do you mean by your whole vehicle has to comply???
Isn't that the point of the engineering? To get compliance?

[Covo71]

How does that work with a ford maverick as I didn't think they came out with a turbo?

[NissanGQ4.2]

What do you mean by your whole vehicle has to comply???
Isn't that the point of the engineering? To get compliance?

I believe what he is saying is if for example you done a 4inch lift and are going in to get that certified, and you have put 35's on and haven't listed that as part of your certification then you will get knocked back on the 35's.

Also at a guess the more you get certified the more it will cost.

[NissanGQ4.2]

How does that work with a ford maverick as I didn't think they came out with a turbo?

I'm guessing it needs 2 be certified then before its classified as legal

[TuffTD42]

What do you mean by your whole vehicle has to comply???
Isn't that the point of the engineering? To get compliance?

Surly you understand? Anyhow, if you go to an engineer & want to engineer your 4" lift only & nothing else he wont pass it if you have 35's on it or a bigger exhaust etc etc understand? if you add say the extra seats to a DX he wont pass it got it? Unless you pay to get him to engineer the other mods.

[TuffTD42]

How does that work with a ford maverick as I didn't think they came out with a turbo?

yep, it has to be engineered.

[TuffTD42]

I believe what he is saying is if for example you done a 4inch lift and are going in to get that certified, and you have put 35's on and haven't listed that as part of your certification then you will get knocked back on the 35's.

Also at a guess the more you get certified the more it will cost.

Thanks nissanGQ4.2 I was typing & posting as were obviously lol. cheers.

"Edit" Ha just looked at the times. your post didn't come up when i looked back at the thread the 1st time?

[TuffTD42]

I booked in for the lift & tyres. Got quoted $1200. Turned up & he asked if the engine had been touched, bigger turbo etc (no) just the 3" Exhaust. he done a decibel reading & it was to high. So I had to fit a muffler to quieten it down before he passed it. Engineered the bullbar,snorkel the lot. Oh & because of the heavy suspension components, I had to lower the seating capacity from 7 to 5 because of the new tare weight. He didn't charge me any more than what he quoted but I know a lot of engineers do.

[Bloodyaussie]

I booked in for the lift & tyres. Got quoted $1200. Turned up & he asked if the engine had been touched, bigger turbo etc (no) just the 3" Exhaust. he done a decibel reading & it was to high. So I had to fit a muffler to quieten it down before he passed it. Engineered the bullbar,snorkel the lot. Oh & because of the heavy suspension components, I had to lower the seating capacity from 7 to 5 because of the new tare weight. He didn't charge me any more than what he quoted but I know a lot of engineers do.

What state was this...

[TuffTD42]

NSW. A few years back I engineered my GQ with 6" lift & 35's. Engineer said it would be a good idea to engineer the turbo setup aswel as GQ TD42 never came from factory with a turbo. Cost me an xtra $100 but same deal, had to fit a muffler to quieten it down.

I think you will find that you will get different info from different engineers/certifiers as from what I can work out it's a bit of a grey area. My 2 local engineers wouldn't engineer a Patrol over 3" lift with 35's. I know they both work together & they are bios! He passed a landy with 35's & a jeep with 37's so I searched further a field & found quite a few who would engineer it but price was way over the top. then I found my current engineer, strict but good on price. Didn't bother me as I wanted it 100% legal for insurance purposes & safety.

[TuffTD42]

What state was this...

New South Wales.

[BigRAWesty]

Surly you understand? Anyhow, if you go to an engineer & want to engineer your 4" lift only & nothing else he wont pass it if you have 35's on it or a bigger exhaust etc etc understand? if you add say the extra seats to a DX he wont pass it got it? Unless you pay to get him to engineer the other mods.
Yep.. get the car how you want it and then get it passed for the lot..
Wish I was in Adelaide.. would make dealing with the sa boys much easier..

[mudski]

I booked in for the lift & tyres. Got quoted $1200. Turned up & he asked if the engine had been touched, bigger turbo etc (no) just the 3" Exhaust. he done a decibel reading & it was to high. So I had to fit a muffler to quieten it down before he passed it. Engineered the bullbar,snorkel the lot. Oh & because of the heavy suspension components, I had to lower the seating capacity from 7 to 5 because of the new tare weight. He didn't charge me any more than what he quoted but I know a lot of engineers do.

Wow! I was quoted $2400 just for the suspension by one mob? Wouldn't touch 35's.

[Bloodyaussie]

Seems to be a trend in NSW being much cheaper.... can we cross the border to get this work done or does it have to be engineered in your state.

[BigRAWesty]

Seems to be a trend in NSW being much cheaper.... can we cross the border to get this work done or does it have to be engineered in your state.
Well that's one point I'm very interested in finding out..
I would so no due to each state having different rules and regs, and each state having there own listed engineers..
But then how do we go for legalities when driving our "legal" rigs into other states??
I'm planning on calling back the bloke I talked to last year and having a chat..
If price is not extreme I'm going to eventually get it done with a 3" and 35's.
(That is illegal here is south aus)

[Wizard52]

So all those blokes who get write ups in the magazines with their rego numbers in photos will be easy game for authorities.
Even with numbers covered, I bet publishers would roll over with info if pressure was applied.

[NissanGQ4.2]

Seems to be a trend in NSW being much cheaper.... can we cross the border to get this work done or does it have to be engineered in your state.

Might be possible, but I'm guessing the inspector would need 2 know the rules for your state.

I found this from an article "MOTORING ENTHUSIASTS’ CONFERENCE EASTERN CREEK (http://www.rms.nsw.gov.au/documents/roads/registration/get-nsw-registration/eastern-creek-qa.pdf)"

29. Why won’t NSW recognise and accept engineering certificates issued by other Australian registration authorities?

Under the Commonwealth Mutual Recognition Act 1992 RMS can only accept certificates issued in
another State or Territory if the certificate was issued in accordance with legislation that is reasonably
equivalent to the NSW legislation.

NSW is currently reviewing the potential for certificates from other state s and territories to be recognised by NSW where appropriate.

[threedogs]

Seems to be a trend in NSW being much cheaper.... can we cross the border to get this work done or does it have to be engineered in your state.

a few years back if you removed your rear seats to do a lap from Melb it was illegal in Sth Aust
They may have relaxed the rules knowing this mod was only temporary ,
but it reduced your patrol to a two seater.
Question would fitting drawers need a cert as youre reducing the factory seating capacity.
Only for insurance purposes

[the evil twin]

a few years back if you removed your rear seats to do a lap from Melb it was illegal in Sth Aust
They may have relaxed the rules knowing this mod was only temporary ,
but it reduced your patrol to a two seater.
Question would fitting drawers need a cert as youre reducing the factory seating capacity.
Only for insurance purposes

Still an issue in majority of states... I believe QLD is red hot on the same issue

Only 2 months ago had some seating capacity changes blue plated here in WA after last row seats removed.
When the seats go back in the seating capacity mod plate gets changed back.

Vehicle is illegal otherwise

[NissanGQ4.2]

a few years back if you removed your rear seats to do a lap from Melb it was illegal in Sth Aust
They may have relaxed the rules knowing this mod was only temporary ,
but it reduced your patrol to a two seater.
Question would fitting drawers need a cert as youre reducing the factory seating capacity.
Only for insurance purposes

Just click on the removing seats +

https://www.vicroads.vic.gov.au/registration/vehicle-modifications-and-defects/vehicle-modifications/removing-adding-and-replacing-seats

[lhurley]

Those of you that have had their cars engineered, have you had any issue with the authorities (police, department of transport, insurance) in regards to the mods?

Eg been pulled over by some cop trying to fill his ticket book and you say here's my mod plate see you later.

[the evil twin]

Those of you that have had their cars engineered, have you had any issue with the authorities (police, department of transport, insurance) in regards to the mods?

Eg been pulled over by some cop trying to fill his ticket book and you say here's my mod plate see you later.

Nope, never had to resort to a Mod Plate discussion with Plod or Mermaids.

I found that even with plated Mods many Insurers won't take you as a client (and I am the lowest possible risk category).
As an example RAC and about 3 or 4 other hi profile advertisers said no thanks to my Chevy Mods but Allianz and Shannons didn't bat an eye about the Mods or the waaay higher agreed value expectations

[TuffTD42]

Those of you that have had their cars engineered, have you had any issue with the authorities (police, department of transport, insurance) in regards to the mods?

Eg been pulled over by some cop trying to fill his ticket book and you say here's my mod plate see you later.

Never been hassled by coppers. Once in my old GQ 6" lift & 35's I was towing the wife's horse float that was unregoed & went past the HWY patrol parked on the side of the road. His camera picked up that the float was unregoed & chased me down the road. The only thing he said about the rig was to put some flares on the back to cover the tyres. I kindly explained to him that I had just finished the quarter chop & had the rubber flexi flares on order. All he said was ok get done ASAP.

Regards to insurance A few won't insure you but a lot will. Club4x4 is who I will be insuring with next time & they ask the question: Is your vehicle road worthy in it's registered state. As mine is engineered it complies so no hassle.

I had been to QLD quite a few times & S.A. in the ol GQ & never got hassled once. Just came back from The Sunshine coast & Brisbane after 2 weeks in the GU & again never got hassled. I kept hearing stories about interstaters getting defected etc & was worried the 1st few times out of state. I know If I moved back to the Sunshine coast the Gu would have to be lowered & smaller tyres fitted to comply. I think this is an issue which needs to be looked at. I don't understand how my vehicle is roadworthy in NSW but not on QLD roads. The engineering certs should be made national not state accepted.

[NissanGQ4.2]

I think this is an issue which needs to be looked at. I don't understand how my vehicle is roadworthy in NSW but not on QLD roads. The engineering certs should be made national not state accepted.

Spot on there, but can't see a national ever happening. Wasn't all the talk over VSI50 a few years back to bring it all into a national standard? where is it now, all dead and buried.

[TuffTD42]

Spot on there, but can't see a national ever happening. Wasn't all the talk over VSI50 a few years back to bring it all into a national standard? where is it now, all dead and buried.

That's it Todd. I'm not 100% what is going on, but I hear talk that the laws are in limbo & are being sorted to be executed soon. But that is all here say.

[mudski]

That's it Todd. I'm not 100% what is going on, but I hear talk that the laws are in limbo & are being sorted to be executed soon. But that is all here say.

I think this quote from one of the links sums it up pretty good...

"However, we all know that national uniformity is a pipedream in this eight-nation federation, because State and Territory bureaucrats have to justify their existence by drafting individual laws. With vehicle compliance rules for registered vehicles being the domain of State and Territory regulators, they have the right to call up VSBs, ADRs and other Federal instruments as they see fit. This is why a vehicle can be ‘roadworthy’ in one jurisdiction and ‘unroadworthy’ in another!"

[Cuppa]

Just click on the removing seats +

https://www.vicroads.vic.gov.au/registration/vehicle-modifications-and-defects/vehicle-modifications/removing-adding-and-replacing-seats


Thanks, I found the info reassuring. I must admit that I had thought maybe having changed from the 2.5 seating - bench seat + single driver seat (plate says seating for 3) in my Dx Ute to 2 bucket seats from an ST should have had an engineers certificate which I didn’t have. However that VicRoads link makes it clear that what I’ve done requires no engineers certificate, making me 100% legal. Yay! :)

Mind you my previous reasoning for not seeking certification was the fact that I believed that in any accident situation that it would need to be proved that the seat change had been a contributing factor to have been of any consequence, & just could not imagine any situation in which that could have been the case - but it’s good to know that the legal situation ‘agrees’ with me.

When re-insuring the car with Club 4x4 recently, they stated clearly that so long as the vehicle is roadworthy & legal in the state it’s registered in they cover me. Nevertheless I informed them of the plated GVM upgrade, & they politely acknowledged it, but they didn’t need it specified on the insurance certificate as Shannons had previously.

Follow up: After posting the above I read on that VicRoads web site page:

“ If the modification has changed the seating description of the vehicle, or a VASS Approval Certificate is required, then you must visit VicRoads Customer Service Centre (https://www.vicroads.vic.gov.au/contact-us/officelocations) with:

evidence of identity (https://www.vicroads.vic.gov.au/licences/evidence-of-identity/types-of-identity-documents)
the vehicle
a VASS Approval Certificate (https://www.vicroads.vic.gov.au/registration/vehicle-modifications-and-defects/vehicle-modifications/vass-approval-certificate), if required.

So as I had nothing better to do, I drove across town to VicRoads office & patiently sat in their queue.
When my turn came I told the VicRoads staff member what I had done & my reason for coming in.
I was directed to bring my car to the inspection bay, whereupon the staff member stuck her head into the vehicle & said “Yep, that’s two seats”
I then asked if I would be provided with some evidence that I had advised VicRoads of the change of seating as the compliance plate says seating for 3.
“We can’t change a compliance plate” she said, & further agreed that the number of seats is not shown on the Registration certificate so the change would not be recorded there. “So it was a bit of a waste of time bringing it in?” I said. She smiled & shrugged her shoulders.
So I have no evidence that I have advised VicRoads of the change. Considering they say that they MUST be advised this seems rather odd to me.

Anyone had a similar experience? I was expecting I would at least be provided with a written confirmation of having advised them (for insurance purposes).

[Hodge]

Question. GVM upgrading, do they scale front and rear separately or is it a overall weight of the vehicle ? Obviously front will get loaded more due to the engine being there ...

[NissanGQ4.2]

Question. GVM upgrading, do they scale front and rear separately or is it a overall weight of the vehicle ? Obviously front will get loaded more due to the engine being there ...

Front, Rear and overall if I read it correctly

http://www.outbacktravelaustralia.com.au/4wd-mods-general-mods/gross-vehicle-mass-increases-march-2015

About the only thing I miss about working at a public weighbridge is all the modified street rods and four wheel drives needing 2 know there axle weights, some really nice rods came through :)

[mudski]

So I had a chat with Enklemen Engineering. The mob who does the engineering for Marks 4wd adaptors. In regards to getting 35's engineered. Their answer was no. Cannot be done. I asked them about how they engineer Marks Portal kits with 35's. I was told its because their kits are made, engineered and to suit 35's. So this is the only way they will engie 35's.
Seems a bit strange to me why this is so as my thoughts was the 35's will have more roll in the tyres than a 33, regardless of what setup there is. But that is it apparently. Only with portals. Dang!

Anyhow, mine is going in to get an engineers done for my lift and a few other things in the coming month or a bit from 4x4 Obsession. As I need to transfer my rego from my company to personal and a RWC is needed. So I might as well get everything done. Then I will just have to "run the gauntlet" on 35's when out in the scrub. Lol.

[Chappy]

What lift do you have? Any idea what they will sting you? I was considering getting my turbo & intercooler engineered.

[Throbbinhood]

So I had a chat with Enklemen Engineering. The mob who does the engineering for Marks 4wd adaptors. In regards to getting 35's engineered. Their answer was no.

Hey mate, I saw on FB that Adam from ADM Motors in Caulfield South helped get a blokes 35's + 4" lift GQ LWB engineered through Engleman with stock diffs. Might be worth a phone call, might be a waste of time but figured I'd let you know.

[LostBenji]

So, after reading through, plenty of info for you southerners, what about QLD?

35's? Couple of inches in altitude, minor basic mods, no huge bottle-fed blown big-blocks?

[mudski]

What lift do you have? Any idea what they will sting you? I was considering getting my turbo & intercooler engineered.
4inch lift Chappy. 4x4 Obession is $1600, for both lift and mods to the motor. As I did a conversion from ZD to TD, I don't need a cert for that, its because of the power output. Enkleman wanted $2500 for just the lift! I also asked Brett at 4x4 Obsession the fail rate of Patrols for getting the lift certified. He said he hasn't seen one fail, but he does do a pre inspection, before the engineer comes along and tortures your car, just to make sure and tell you what needs to be done for it to pass.
I spoke with Automotive Performance solutions in Thomastown. This guy was not interested at all. He said even a Patrol with a 2inch lift and 33's needs to be engied. And, he added, that it WILL fail. He also said, I'm more than happy to take your money if you want to go ahead with it. Lol. Crossed him off the list.
Theres one guy, another local, whom I have been directed to by multiple engineers, I have rang on multiple occassions, and emailed, but I never get a call back or response. Bummer, as he's real close to me, and from what I have been told by other engineers, he's thorough, and is well priced. So yeah. Looks Like 4x4 Obsession I am going too.


Hey mate, I saw on FB that Adam from ADM Motors in Caulfield South helped get a blokes 35's + 4" lift GQ LWB engineered through Engleman with stock diffs. Might be worth a phone call, might be a waste of time but figured I'd let you know.

I spoke direct with Enklemen. They flat out said NO for 35's. Unless you have Portal axles fitted by Marks. I may ring this Adam bloke and hear what he has to say.


So, after reading through, plenty of info for you southerners, what about QLD?
35's? Couple of inches in altitude, minor basic mods, no huge bottle-fed blown big-blocks?

This is why I started this thread so others who know the laws in other states could add to this sticky. The more info here the better.

No offense to Throbbinhood, but what we hear or see on the internet isn't worth its pinch in salt when it comes to issues like this. But thank you for the input, I will contact this guy and see what he says.
Last thing we want is someone to go by hear say. Spend their hard earned only to find out they've gone the wrong way about it. Thats why I spoke direct with the engineers and have links for all the info I can find.

Also Brett at 4x4 Obsession also said that a 4inch lift is the highest they will cert a Patrol too. Just for reference.

[Irish]

Thanks, I found the info reassuring. I must admit that I had thought maybe having changed from the 2.5 seating - bench seat + single driver seat (plate says seating for 3) in my Dx Ute to 2 bucket seats from an ST should have had an engineers certificate which I didn’t have. However that VicRoads link makes it clear that what I’ve done requires no engineers certificate, making me 100% legal. Yay! :)

Mind you my previous reasoning for not seeking certification was the fact that I believed that in any accident situation that it would need to be proved that the seat change had been a contributing factor to have been of any consequence, & just could not imagine any situation in which that could have been the case - but it’s good to know that the legal situation ‘agrees’ with me.

When re-insuring the car with Club 4x4 recently, they stated clearly that so long as the vehicle is roadworthy & legal in the state it’s registered in they cover me. Nevertheless I informed them of the plated GVM upgrade, & they politely acknowledged it, but they didn’t need it specified on the insurance certificate as Shannons had previously.

Follow up: After posting the above I read on that VicRoads web site page:

“ If the modification has changed the seating description of the vehicle, or a VASS Approval Certificate is required, then you must visit VicRoads Customer Service Centre (https://www.vicroads.vic.gov.au/contact-us/officelocations) with:

evidence of identity (https://www.vicroads.vic.gov.au/licences/evidence-of-identity/types-of-identity-documents)
the vehicle
a VASS Approval Certificate (https://www.vicroads.vic.gov.au/registration/vehicle-modifications-and-defects/vehicle-modifications/vass-approval-certificate), if required.

So as I had nothing better to do, I drove across town to VicRoads office & patiently sat in their queue.
When my turn came I told the VicRoads staff member what I had done & my reason for coming in.
I was directed to bring my car to the inspection bay, whereupon the staff member stuck her head into the vehicle & said “Yep, that’s two seats”
I then asked if I would be provided with some evidence that I had advised VicRoads of the change of seating as the compliance plate says seating for 3.
“We can’t change a compliance plate” she said, & further agreed that the number of seats is not shown on the Registration certificate so the change would not be recorded there. “So it was a bit of a waste of time bringing it in?” I said. She smiled & shrugged her shoulders.
So I have no evidence that I have advised VicRoads of the change. Considering they say that they MUST be advised this seems rather odd to me.

Anyone had a similar experience? I was expecting I would at least be provided with a written confirmation of having advised them (for insurance purposes).

If all you have to do is advise em, I would find out the info email address of your local vicroads and sends em an email(with a read receipt) advising them you now only have two seats, then print and laminate your email and the read receipt and keep them in your glove box.

[Irish]

4inch lift Chappy. 4x4 Obession is $1600, for both lift and mods to the motor. As I did a conversion from ZD to TD, I don't need a cert for that, its because of the power output. Enkleman wanted $2500 for just the lift! I also asked Brett at 4x4 Obsession the fail rate of Patrols for getting the lift certified. He said he hasn't seen one fail, but he does do a pre inspection, before the engineer comes along and tortures your car, just to make sure and tell you what needs to be done for it to pass.
I spoke with Automotive Performance solutions in Thomastown. This guy was not interested at all. He said even a Patrol with a 2inch lift and 33's needs to be engied. And, he added, that it WILL fail. He also said, I'm more than happy to take your money if you want to go ahead with it. Lol. Crossed him off the list.
Theres one guy, another local, whom I have been directed to by multiple engineers, I have rang on multiple occassions, and emailed, but I never get a call back or response. Bummer, as he's real close to me, and from what I have been told by other engineers, he's thorough, and is well priced. So yeah. Looks Like 4x4 Obsession I am going too.



I spoke direct with Enklemen. They flat out said NO for 35's. Unless you have Portal axles fitted by Marks. I may ring this Adam bloke and hear what he has to say.



This is why I started this thread so others who know the laws in other states could add to this sticky. The more info here the better.

No offense to Throbbinhood, but what we hear or see on the internet isn't worth its pinch in salt when it comes to issues like this. But thank you for the input, I will contact this guy and see what he says.
Last thing we want is someone to go by hear say. Spend their hard earned only to find out they've gone the wrong way about it. Thats why I spoke direct with the engineers and have links for all the info I can find.

Also Brett at 4x4 Obsession also said that a 4inch lift is the highest they will cert a Patrol too. Just for reference.

Hey Mudski, do you reckon they'd(4x4 obsession) do my Maverick when I do the turbo conversion, or no?

[Throbbinhood]

No offense to Throbbinhood, but what we hear or see on the internet isn't worth its pinch in salt when it comes to issues like this. But thank you for the input, I will contact this guy and see what he says.
Last thing we want is someone to go by hear say. Spend their hard earned only to find out they've gone the wrong way about it. Thats why I spoke direct with the engineers and have links for all the info I can find.


Only passing on what the guy who's had 35's engineered on his GQ said. Can't offer more than that I'm afraid.

[mudski]

Hey Mudski, do you reckon they'd(4x4 obsession) do my Maverick when I do the turbo conversion, or no?
Cant see why they wouldn't.

Only passing on what the guy who's had 35's engineered on his GQ said. Can't offer more than that I'm afraid.

No worries bud. I've had plenty say to me you can get 35's done, but every VASS approved engineer I have spoken to said no you can't. So unless theres a loop hole in the ruling somewhere, I don't like the chances. But I will be contacting ADM motors and asking them. As Enklemen said to me. No way Jose!

[BigRAWesty]

Cant see why they wouldn't.


No worries bud. I've had plenty say to me you can get 35's done, but every VASS approved engineer I have spoken to said no you can't. So unless theres a loop hole in the ruling somewhere, I don't like the chances. But I will be contacting ADM motors and asking them. As Enklemen said to me. No way Jose!
When I was taking to the engineer in Adelaide I'm pretty sure he said he will do 35's as the only requirement it need to meet is the speedo within legal spec.. so between 0 and -10% of a GPS. .
So if your running 4.3 diffs and a speedo adjustment gear you should be right..

That was about 2 years ago though..
Things may have changed..

[mudski]

When I was taking to the engineer in Adelaide I'm pretty sure he said he will do 35's as the only requirement it need to meet is the speedo within legal spec.. so between 0 and -10% of a GPS. .
So if your running 4.3 diffs and a speedo adjustment gear you should be right..

That was about 2 years ago though..
Things may have changed..
A $50 speedo gear is all thats needed to correct that then. .
Tyre roll on a 35 is the major concern when doing the swerve test i was told by the engineers here. Plus its written in black and white in the rule book one said too. It is in one of the links in the op, i think. Man if theres a loop hole or a way, I'd be on it. Cost depending of course. Lol.
Really. As long as my car is engied for everything else, i wont worry about the 35s and just cop a minor defect notice which is easy to get cleared.

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[BigRAWesty]

A $50 speedo gear is all thats needed to correct that then. .
Tyre roll on a 35 is the major concern when doing the swerve test i was told by the engineers here. Plus its written in black and white in the rule book one said too. It is in one of the links in the op, i think. Man if theres a loop hole or a way, I'd be on it. Cost depending of course. Lol.
Really. As long as my car is engied for everything else, i wont worry about the 35s and just cop a minor defect notice which is easy to get cleared.

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Gotta remember that good old dividing line between us which the rules magical change..
So what you may have to jump threw hoops to get I may just need a gear lol..
Imo Ill be keen to get my 33's done..
From memory $600 a certify..

[mudski]

Gotta remember that good old dividing line between us which the rules magical change..
So what you may have to jump threw hoops to get I may just need a gear lol..
Imo Ill be keen to get my 33's done..
From memory $600 a certify..
Do you need to get 33s done in SA?

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[BigRAWesty]

Do you need to get 33s done in SA?

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Yep. Were allowed 7mm tyre increase..
So basically tread wear..
And 50mm lift

[mudski]

Yep. Were allowed 7mm tyre increase..
So basically tread wear..
And 50mm lift
That sucks.

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[BigRAWesty]

That sucks.

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Sure does..

[jay see]

i wont worry about the 35s and just cop a minor defect notice which is easy to get cleared.

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Not always the case.

When AB and I got picked up they were doing us a favor by not issuing the $400 fine and demerit points and its at their discretion if they hand out a minor of mayor defect.

When are you going to 4x4 obsission? Call in while your up my way. I'll have the coffee on........

[mudski]

Not always the case.

When AB and I got picked up they were doing us a favor by not issuing the $400 fine and demerit points and its at their discretion if they hand out a minor of mayor defect.

When are you going to 4x4 obsission? Call in while your up my way. I'll have the coffee on........
From my understanding. If the fuzz only get you for one defect they cant issue a canary. As its three defects needed for this.
I could be wrong but thats what i am led to believe. Happy to be proven wrong
When you got done and copped the canary its because the tyres you had weren't load or speed rated and are pretty much bait. Lol
Ill have no ride to when i drop the car off. So unless your in walking distance....

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[Throbbinhood]

From my understanding. If the fuzz only get you for one defect they cant issue a canary. As its three defects needed for this.
I could be wrong but thats what i am led to believe. Happy to be proven wrong
When you got done and copped the canary its because the tyres you had weren't load or speed rated and are pretty much bait. Lol
Ill have no ride to when i drop the car off. So unless your in walking distance....

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Hey mate, I get your thinking, but one important thing is that none of it really matters. The police don't need to know exactly what's what.. They could say your accelerator pedal looks worn, the numbers on your gear stick aren't visible enough and your rear seatbelt doesn't retract fast enough - and you could take it for a rwc and pass all of these things with no issue - it won't stop them from giving you a yellow sticker if they want to. FWIW, I'm with you and I run the gauntlet myself. Thankfully only been done once for tyres and lift, was a minor and only an inspection required (had to change lift/tyres of course, but that's no biggy). My point being, if they want to get you, they will.

[mudski]

Plicks they are!

[LostBenji]

It all comes down to the discretion and determination of the walloper.

Running 35's and taking defect is fine for some but you have a prang, un-roadworthy vehicle, you just lost any insurance cover and go it alone.

[jay see]

Hey mate, I get your thinking, but one important thing is that none of it really matters. The police don't need to know exactly what's what.. They could say your accelerator pedal looks worn, the numbers on your gear stick aren't visible enough and your rear seatbelt doesn't retract fast enough - and you could take it for a rwc and pass all of these things with no issue - it won't stop them from giving you a yellow sticker if they want to. FWIW, I'm with you and I run the gauntlet myself. Thankfully only been done once for tyres and lift, was a minor and only an inspection required (had to change lift/tyres of course, but that's no biggy). My point being, if they want to get you, they will.
That's what I wanted to say earlier, but was unable

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[Chappy]

From my understanding. If the fuzz only get you for one defect they cant issue a canary. As its three defects needed for this.
I could be wrong but thats what i am led to believe.

It must really come down to the issuing officer. I was defected for 35s, no mudflaps (front or rear), drivers seat belt frayed, smashed windscreen (did it the night before) & bullbar. I was only issued a minor & just had to clear it with Vic Roads.

[Winnie]

What was wrong with your bullbar?

[jay see]

It must really come down to the issuing officer. I was defected for 35s, no mudflaps (front or rear), drivers seat belt frayed, smashed windscreen (did it the night before) & bullbar. I was only issued a minor & just had to clear it with Vic Roads.
Your lucky.

They got me for the simex and a cracked headlight and told me that I had 1/2 hour to get off the dirt roads and out of the area.

The irony not allowed to drive mud tyres on dirt road, but fine to do 300+ K's on the black stuff to get home.

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[Chappy]

What was wrong with your bullbar?
It was angled outwards so it would push a pedestrian under the car, not over it. I've since swapped to an ARB bar.
Saying that, the old bar passed at Vic Roads no worries when I went in to clear it.




Your lucky.

They got me for the simex and a cracked headlight and told me that I had 1/2 hour to get off the dirt roads and out of the area.

The irony not allowed to drive mud tyres on dirt road, but fine to do 300+ K's on the black stuff to get home.

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It's ridiculous how much the rules change case by case..

[mudski]

Your lucky.

They got me for the simex and a cracked headlight and told me that I had 1/2 hour to get off the dirt roads and out of the area.

The irony not allowed to drive mud tyres on dirt road, but fine to do 300+ K's on the black stuff to get home.

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You were lucky they didnt tell you to call a tow truck.
Apparently the Mansfield fuzz were making drivers call tow trucks...

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[jay see]

I know. As much as I rather have the clearance from a 35, I'm not prepared to cop the shit that goes with it.

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[mudski]

So i went to my cousins 40th today in Riddels creek and who was there? At the same party? Brett from 4x4 Obsession.
Very nice guy, nice enough to even chat to me about the engineers report on his day off.
He gets my vote...

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[threedogs]

So i went to my cousins 40th today in Riddels creek and who was there? At the same party? Brett from 4x4 Obsession.
Very nice guy, nice enough to even chat to me about the engineers report on his day off.
He gets my vote...

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Yeah not much Brett doesn't know about Patrols and Mods.

Also if you have a "smart" attitude towards the officer I think
you could kiss any chances of getting off gone out the window

[threedogs]

I know. As much as I rather have the clearance from a 35, I'm not prepared to cop the shit that goes with it.

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Im with you , pick better lines and get a front Pro-locker fitted I say lol

[mudski]

Im with you , pick better lines and get a front Pro-locker fitted I say lol
Each to their own. Ill be happy when its done and then its all legal. Apart from the tyres. Lol.

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[mudski]

O.k SO I just went over to 4x4 Obsession for Brett to take a quick look and tell me what I need to do. Found out a few things I wasn't aware of...

Catch cans. Are illegal. They do not pass ADR. Regardless if its a closed system and recirculates back into the air intake. So this needs to be removed temporarily.
The boost controller is also illegal. So I need to hide this under the intercooler.Out of sight My GVM is 3000kg. I weigh 2940kg. Seems ok yeah? Wrong. The car is classed as a seven seater you you need to count seven people with a weight of 80kgs each, and then both fuel tanks full. But I will be getting the engineers report and the car will be classed as a 5 seater. So that saves me 160kg. So a bit of a diet the car will be going on. Ugh!Braided brake lines, you need to be aware of. All braided lines must have a small rubber sleeve at each end of the line where it meets the banjo fitting. I was told that a few places are claiming their lines are ADR compliant and infact are not, because they haven't used the rubber sleeve.

I asked about the GVM upgrade. It was noted that say if you do the upgrade from 3000kg to 3350kg you are not actually increasing your towing capacity by 350kg. It does not add onto it.

So a few things to do, it will go in hopefully July. If everything goes to plan.

Also just for reference. The whole car must be engineered. So you can't just go in for suspension, when the motor or something else needs to be done and you don't want it too.

Can anyone with a GUII wagon with a factory TD42t in it please post up their GVM? I am curious to see if its heavier than 3000kg.

[BigRAWesty]

O.k SO I just went over to 4x4 Obsession for Brett to take a quick look and tell me what I need to do. Found out a few things I wasn't aware of...

Catch cans. Are illegal. They do not pass ADR. Regardless if its a closed system and recirculates back into the air intake. So this needs to be removed temporarily.
The boost controller is also illegal. So I need to hide this under the intercooler.Out of sight My GVM is 3000kg. I weigh 2940kg. Seems ok yeah? Wrong. The car is classed as a seven seater you you need to count seven people with a weight of 80kgs each, and then both fuel tanks full. But I will be getting the engineers report and the car will be classed as a 5 seater. So that saves me 160kg. So a bit of a diet the car will be going on. Ugh!Braided brake lines, you need to be aware of. All braided lines must have a small rubber sleeve at each end of the line where it meets the banjo fitting. I was told that a few places are claiming their lines are ADR compliant and infact are not, because they haven't used the rubber sleeve.

I asked about the GVM upgrade. It was noted that say if you do the upgrade from 3000kg to 3350kg you are not actually increasing your towing capacity by 350kg. It does not add onto it.

So a few things to do, it will go in hopefully July. If everything goes to plan.

Also just for reference. The whole car must be engineered. So you can't just go in for suspension, when the motor or something else needs to be done and you don't want it too.

Can anyone with a GUII wagon with a factory TD42t in it please post up their GVM? I am curious to see if its heavier than 3000kg.
I personally thought it was 3050gmv from factory.
But wow.. a few things there we were unaware of....
Maybe touch base with safe brake to see if there's are correct..

[MB]

Can anyone with a GUII wagon with a factory TD42t in it please post up their GVM? I am curious to see if its heavier than 3000kg.

http://www.nissanpatrol.com.au/forums/images/imported/2016/06/38.jpg

[MB]

Only 40kg over 3T Mudski

[mudski]

40kg more. Hmm.

Another thing I was told too. About light bars.
Vic Roads does allow the placement of light bars on the roof, as long as they don't reflect back toward the driver. But. But! ADR says no driving light can be more than 1.2m from the ground. So thats a bugger.
we all know about the no more than 6 forward facing lights yeah? I have two headlight, two driving lights and one lightbar of the roof. I though I was safe. The headlights are counted as two light per side. So technically I'm one over.... Lol.

[LostBenji]

Likely already said but I was talking with a trusted performance 4WD company (who do all form of mods including stretching) and the rule is for QLD, legally, nothing bigger than 33's. Apparently, a pat can't pass the swerve test.

Take the 35's with you on a trailer with trolley-jack, swap boots when off-road or run the 35's at risk of being dicked.

[BigRAWesty]

On the lights are you sure??
80 series yes you'd be over.
But patrols have 1 pair of head lights..
So with 1 pair of spot lights and one light bar fitted to the center your legal..
If you have 2 pairs of aftermarket spotties and a light bar then your 1 over..

[Clunk]

On the lights are you sure??
80 series yes you'd be over.
But patrols have 1 pair of head lights..
So with 1 pair of spot lights and one light bar fitted to the center your legal..
If you have 2 pairs of aftermarket spotties and a light bar then your 1 over..
That one pair of headlights are 2 low beam and 2 high beam so that make 4 lights

[BigRAWesty]

That one pair of headlights are 2 low beam and 2 high beam so that make 4 lights
Low beam turn off when highs are on.. So that is not correct.

[Clunk]

Low beam turn off when highs are on.. So that is not correct.
No they dont

[LostBenji]

No they dont
Incorrect, most do. Too much current draw with both lit on the common negative wire and also too much heat to dissipate in the lamp assembly. Look at car next time with blown high, it will only have the park lamp (if not blown too).
Big GU is correct in the technical respect.

[BigRAWesty]

Regardless off do or don't. .
In SA from the local plods mouth.
They class it as basically per globe / lense.
So a patrol has 2 factory driving lights.
An 80 has 4 factory lights..
A BA falcon has 4. Even though it's only 2 lights per say each housing has a hi/low beam and then a second hi beam globe and lense in the same housing.

[LostBenji]

Same here in QLD and was in VIC in my younger years. A light is the physical unit, not the filament count.

[mudski]

Low beam turn off when highs are on.. So that is not correct.

That was from the horses mouth Kallen. I can't argue with that. He did also say that this is something thats often overlooked if you are pulled up by the fuzz. They would usually just count one headlight as one.

[mudski]

Likely already said but I was talking with a trusted performance 4WD company (who do all form of mods including stretching) and the rule is for QLD, legally, nothing bigger than 33's. Apparently, a pat can't pass the swerve test.

Take the 35's with you on a trailer with trolley-jack, swap boots when off-road or run the 35's at risk of being dicked.

Yep. I have concluded that 35's are a definite no go. So this I will run the gaunlet with. Lol

[mudski]

That was from the horses mouth Kallen. I can't argue with that. He did also say that this is something thats often overlooked if you are pulled up by the fuzz. They would usually just count one headlight as one.

I've been scouring the VSB14 guidelines and can't find this anywhere. I think I will send them an email and ask where I can find the ruling. I'm also thinking I can't find it because it may be a victorian rule, so it won't be in the VSB14, it should be via the vic government website or Vic Roads.

[Clunk]

Incorrect, most do. Too much current draw with both lit on the common negative wire and also too much heat to dissipate in the lamp assembly. Look at car next time with blown high, it will only have the park lamp (if not blown too).
Big GU is correct in the technical respect.

well bugger be sideways, you learn something new everyday....... although my park (side) lights are separate to the main lights.

So why is it that with HID headlights, when you first turn the lights on low beam, they take a while to get up to brightness, but when you switch to high beams, the brightness is instant?

[BigRAWesty]

The only thing I can find in all docs is driving light must be fitted in pairs of 2 or 4, or a single symmetrical centered bar.

[the evil twin]

A single lamp assy each side (EG one on the LH and one on the RH as in a factory GQ Patrol) with a single globe with a low and main beam filament counts as 2 not 4.

A dual lamp (IE one with 2 globes or two seperate assy's side by side with a globe each) where both are illuminated when main beam is selected counts as 4

Anyone who tells you different is talking out there arse.

[lhurley]

well bugger be sideways, you learn something new everyday....... although my park (side) lights are separate to the main lights.

So why is it that with HID headlights, when you first turn the lights on low beam, they take a while to get up to brightness, but when you switch to high beams, the brightness is instant?

A HID (High Intensity Discharge) light works by heating the gas in the bulb to create the light. The "getting to brightness is them warming up to operating temperature.
When you flick on high beam (on a legal projector lens) there is a little blade that flicks down allowing full light through the projector. Normally the blade blocks a portion of the light, thus giving you "low beam" and that nice straight cut off line.

[Winnie]

A HID (High Intensity Discharge) light works by heating the gas in the bulb to create the light. The "getting to brightness is them warming up to operating temperature.
When you flick on high beam (on a legal projector lens) there is a little blade that flicks down allowing full light through the projector. Normally the blade blocks a portion of the light, thus giving you "low beam" and that nice straight cut off line.
That's not the case though on a HID lamp that you see installed in a regular light reflector though.

[nissannewby]

Mudski if you get there again ask about headlight heights. Headlight heights can also be the restriction on lift legalities. You can have a lift engineered but its still illegal as the headlights are above adr requirements.
This may be old and outdated info so would be good to get this confirmed.
mudski

[mudski]

Mudski if you get there again ask about headlight heights. Headlight heights can also be the restriction on lift legalities. You can have a lift engineered but its still illegal as the headlights are above adr requirements.
This may be old and outdated info so would be good to get this confirmed.
mudski
1.2m the ADR is. From all the info he was blurting out and me trying to take it all in, I think he said the height is fine after the engineer has done his thing with the car. I think. but I do believe one of the reasons why they wont engineer over 4inch is because of the headlamp height.

[mudski]

A single lamp assy each side (EG one on the LH and one on the RH as in a factory GQ Patrol) with a single globe with a low and main beam filament counts as 2 not 4.

A dual lamp (IE one with 2 globes or two seperate assy's side by side with a globe each) where both are illuminated when main beam is selected counts as 4

Anyone who tells you different is talking out there arse.
Like I said. This came from the shop doing the report. I can only repeat what I was told.

[jay see]

Take the 35's with you on a trailer with trolley-jack, swap boots when off-road or run the 35's at risk of being dicked.

Problem there is they get you just as you get out of the tracks. I've seen them waiting for the 4wders and bikers.

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[jay see]

Getting back on topic.
33" tyres are legal, 285/75/16 are legal, what about 305/70/16? They all measure up to 33".

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[mudski]

Getting back on topic.
33" tyres are legal, 285/75/16 are legal, what about 305/70/16? They all measure up to 33".

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Yeah i asked brett about 305's. Thats the limit but he said the GU's dont drive aswell on 305's as they do with 285s. Not sure on the reason behind this though....
I got a bit of work to do between now and when it goes it to scrub up on a few things.
Just a few small things to do. Change out my headlights is the biggest thing. Whether i will put them back in is another thing after its done.

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[Bacho86]

Yeah i asked brett about 305's. Thats the limit but he said the GU's dont drive aswell on 305's as they do with 285s. Not sure on the reason behind this though....


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Be interested to know why as I run 305"s off-road - I wouldn't think the additional width / rolling weight would have thrown things out that much?


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[mudski]

Be interested to know why as I run 305"s off-road - I wouldn't think the additional width / rolling weight would have thrown things out that much?


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Yeah not sure mate. He was talking so much i wish i had recorded what he was saying. Haha.
Im sure that probably 90 percent of Patrol drivers running 305's wouldn't see any issues. Maybe its just a comparative between the two sizes and that 285s would be a better choice for the expert? Or someone who knows their shizz.
TD runs 305's and i know he doesn't see any issues etc etc.
Pretty impressive place too he's got. He must get real busy as i reckon there was 20 4wds in the car park there.

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[nissannewby]

It effects the geometry slightly. Different contact patches, even offsets will change what the vehicle does. But as you say for the most part most people wont really notice.

[jay see]

Pretty impressive place too he's got. He must get real busy as i reckon there was 20 4wds in the car park there.

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Ever since he did Simon's 80 series v8 conversion (featured on 4wd TV) it went full on. That was done out his old shop on high street, even then he always had a few parked up, but now it's like a full car park always.

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[mudski]

Ever since he did Simon's 80 series v8 conversion (featured on 4wd TV) it went full on. That was done out his old shop on high street, even then he always had a few parked up, but now it's like a full car park always.

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Yeah i was a bit taken back by how many there was. Hes in a good spot too and theres another mech workshop and an auto elec shop(pretty sure it was) in the same factory lot. So its pretty much a one stop shop.

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[the evil twin]

It effects the geometry slightly. Different contact patches, even offsets will change what the vehicle does. But as you say for the most part most people wont really notice.

Agree but would add that width can (not always but can) have a strange effect.

Most people increase offset to deal with a wider tyre IE the inside wall stays about the same and all the width goes 'out'.
This means the track increases but the geometry does not.
That in turn means two things, one is a change in the load on the swivel hub bearings and more importantly a change on the scrub radius (well at least that is the term i am familiar with)

A change in scrub radius means rather than the wheel and tyre 'pivoting' when you turn it, now has to travel thru an arc as the track is no longer near the centre line of the king pin or whatever and has been effectively moved out.

This can give you some interesting new handling issues under brakes.
I can't recall at the moment whether was under or oversteer, my boy racer days are too long ago, but IIRC it was unpredictable understeer

[nissannewby]

I believe contact patch and offset can effectively alter your akerman angle. While only small changes they can alter the way the vehicle feels and drives. Akerman being geometry....

[threedogs]

Would anyone know 1,, how the Police measure a 2" lift and 2,,,what parameters are they bound by,
As is there a magic number that cant be beaten.
Just saying cause there can be big differences in height with 2" lifts from brand to brand

Maybe someone with a 3" lift can measure from centre of front hub to under the guard to get a 3" number

[Throbbinhood]

When the police got me, they didn't bother measuring.. They just wrote it on the defect notice - 'lift not to be over 2 inches'.

I guess it would depend on what height specifications the manufacturers put out.. When I measured my lift, the specs I found for stock were from diff to bumpstop. My 3" was exactly 3", I was impressed haha.

This (https://www.superiorengineering.com.au/image/pdf/Nissan%20Patrol%20radius%20arm%20size.pdf) was what I used for heights.

[LostBenji]

Would anyone know

How the Police measure a 2" lift?
What parameters are they bound by?
As is there a magic number that cant be beaten?


Just saying cause there can be big differences in height with 2" lifts from brand to brand
Maybe someone with a 3" lift can measure from centre of front hub to under the guard to get a 3" number
Sorry, my OCD got the better of me there.

Very good questions and I do like Throbin mentioned.

[mudski]

I've just added two Youtube Vids on swerve tests. Just so you can see how its done.

[Throbbinhood]

The Hilux made it look easy. The Jeep looked sketchy as. Wonder how a GQ would go.

[mudski]

I have also added the current vehicle lift allowances for all australian states and jurisdictions.
If anyone can find the procedures for how your vehicle is correctly measured for GVM, please let me know so I can add this. I have been told one procedure, others have been told otherwise. Seems the more I look, the more I find different answers.

[the evil twin]

GVM is measure by either...
On a weighbridge as a whole vehicle
On a weighbridge as sum of axles (which lets them see if your individual axle weights or tyre ratings are exceeded)
On individual load cells where they put them on the ground and the vehicle drives onto them and all are digitally summed (which lets them see weight per wheel, weight per axle, weight per axle group and overall weight)

[mudski]

Thanks. This is where it gets confusing. Well to me atleast. I have been told that when they measure the GVM, they include the occupants. In My case its a seven seater, each person is calculated at 80kegs each, plus full tanks of fuel. You did mention otherwise yeah? That it was weighed without the occupants.

I found on the Australian Government ADR website their definition on GVM....
https://www.legislation.gov.au/Details/F2012C00326

"GROSS VEHICLE MASS (GVM) - the maximum laden mass of a motor vehicle as specified by the ‘Manufacturer’."

This to me means measured with seven occupants and two full tanks of fuel included in the measurement.
My eyes are crosseyed at the moment. I just counted 26 tabs open in my web browser, all related to this and other things related. I have been reading page upon page for the last three hours, getting sidetracked and reading about other things etc etc and I don't know where Im at right now. Lol. Bout to give up for now and look again later.

[BigRAWesty]

Thanks. This is where it gets confusing. Well to me atleast. I have been told that when they measure the GVM, they include the occupants. In My case its a seven seater, each person is calculated at 80kegs each, plus full tanks of fuel. You did mention otherwise yeah? That it was weighed without the occupants.

I found on the Australian Government ADR website their definition on GVM....
https://www.legislation.gov.au/Details/F2012C00326

"GROSS VEHICLE MASS (GVM) - the maximum laden mass of a motor vehicle as specified by the ‘Manufacturer’."

This to me means measured with seven occupants and two full tanks of fuel included in the measurement.
My eyes are crosseyed at the moment. I just counted 26 tabs open in my web browser, all related to this and other things related. I have been reading page upon page for the last three hours, getting sidetracked and reading about other things etc etc and I don't know where Im at right now. Lol. Bout to give up for now and look again later.
Mine has been engineered as a 5 seater..
One of the things that have to be done with gmv upgrade I've been told..
So maybe worth asking if that's something you need to do..

[the evil twin]

I found on the Australian Government ADR website their definition on GVM....
https://www.legislation.gov.au/Details/F2012C00326

"GROSS VEHICLE MASS (GVM) - the maximum laden mass of a motor vehicle as specified by the ‘Manufacturer’."

This to me means measured with seven occupants and two full tanks of fuel included in the measurement.


Pls excuse the snip...

Yes, GVM is the maximum laden mass stated by the manuf.
Yes, it cannot be legally exceeded by any combination of load.
Yes, for the purposes of calculations it is assumed people averages 80 KG

Perhaps a 70 series Troopy is a good example.
The specs ex factory is GVM 3,200 KG, a payload of 880 KG and the max seating capacity is 11.

That means you can have any combo of people, accessories, cargo and towball weight you choose AS LONG AS you do not exceed a laden weight of 3,200KG

1 scenario - If you have 200 KG of roof load and 280 KG of Accessories (Winch, Bull Bar etc) and 4 x 100 Kg blokes for a total of 3,200 KG then you are OK even tho you are 7 blokes short of 11 IE you have 7 empty seats.

2nd scenario - If you have 11 people and they weigh 95 KG then 2 have to stay behind.

3rd scenario - If you have a Driver who weighs 140 KG and 10 empty seats you are under even tho 10x80 is 800 plus driver would put you over IE 1 fat dude driving an empty 78 isn't a GVM buster

4th Scenario - you add 240 Kg of permanent accessories (lets go for a roof rack, bull bar and winch), you do not have to reduce the plated capacity by 3 seats but you sure can't fill the truck with 11 adults.
You can still use all 11 seats but you better have a heap of kids or some really skinny adults.

Now, here is where the confusion is probably coming in.
For engineering testing etc. the tests are carried out at GVM because that is what you are legally allowed to load.
On a stock 78 this may require a simulated weight distribution of 80 KG in each seat.
This is so you can't cheat and put, say, a 880 KG lead bar on the floor so the vehicle will not roll during a swerve test or whatever to certify, say, a 4 inch lift

Bottom line is GVM is a physical measurement and the scale is the judge, jury and executioner you just need to stay under the GVM.

[MB]

Please excuse my late night ignorance, honestly how does a vehicle get GVM weighed in at a stop? Driver & Kids in or out of the truck?


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[BigRAWesty]

Please excuse my late night ignorance, honestly how does a vehicle get GVM weighed in at a stop? Driver & Kids in or out of the truck?


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Everyone in that is travelling at that time as they are after the full mass of the vehicle at that time..

[mudski]

Mine has been engineered as a 5 seater..
One of the things that have to be done with gmv upgrade I've been told..
So maybe worth asking if that's something you need to do..

Yep. Mine will be engineered as a five seater. I also found in Section LH...
2.2.2
Vehicle Mass (Weight)
Where a conversion has resulted in an increase in tare mass, the modified vehicle must be
weighed at a weighbridge. Individual axle masses and total mass must be recorded separately.
Where the original GVM of the vehicle is no longer applicable due to the modifications
performed, a new GVM must be determined.
So I assume this is what they will be doing with mine as its had the motor changed which has resulted in an increase in weight. Something I will ask them for sure.

Thanks ET. You have cleared this up a lot for me atleast. Scenario 4 sorted my confusion well. Legend!
If they wrote something like you just said in the ADR's it would be helpful...

Getting closer now. We have school holidays the next two weeks so it will be going in sometime then.

[gubigfish]

If they wrote something like you just said in the ADR's it would be helpful...


There would be a lot of lawyers and public servants out of work if that was the case Mudski :smiley_thumbs_up:

[the evil twin]

snip....
[/I]Where the original GVM of the vehicle is no longer applicable due to the modifications
performed, a new GVM must be determined.[/I]
So I assume this is what they will be doing with mine as its had the motor changed which has resulted in an increase in weight. Something I will ask them for sure.



Nope... your GVM will still be the same.
Your Tare and Kerb Weight may increase and your Payload decrease accordingly but your 'original' GVM will only change if the Modification affects the GVM so the 'original' is 'no longer applicable' such as an engineered GVM upgrade

Think of it like a 20 litre bucket and for the example assume the bucket alone weighs SFA (tare).
The manuf says this bucket will only carry 20 litres of water equal to 20 Kg as any more and the handle will break (original GVM is 20 Kilos)
Sooo...

Ex factory it carries up to 20 litres (payload) and weighs up to 20 kilos (original GVM) = handle is good

Put in a 5 kilo brick (say an engine modification) this increases tare 5 Kg, bucket can now only carry 15 litres of water (payload) but brick plus water still weighs 20 kilos (mod doesn't affect GVM) and pick up bucket = handle is good (even tho there is still capacity in the bucket for more water)

Now, top the bucket up with some more water so bucket weighs, say, 24 Kg (GVM) and attempt to pick it up (get pulled over by scaleys) = handle will break (Scaleys give you a bluey for being 4 kilos over GVM)

Buy a stronger handle (a mod that does affect GVM ) rated to break at 25KG with a certificate for bucket. Now with brick and water it weighs 24 KG (1 Kg under the new 25 Kg GVM) and pick it up = Handle doesn't break (all is good and scaleys give you a hug)

P.S. where do I send my Consultancy Invoice?

[the evil twin]

There would be a lot of lawyers and public servants out of work if that was the case Mudski :smiley_thumbs_up:

Yeah, keep the good ideas to yourself Mudski

Hands off the public service till after I retire please!!!

[mudski]

I get what your saying ET. So because of the Conversion, the motor is heavier that what was in there, the GVM on a factory fitted GU exactly as mine is 40kegs heavier. I would have thought because they are doing the engineering they would give the car a new GVM to that of factory spec. My original bucket and the new bucket with the brick are physically the same in every aspect, apart from the motor, I would have thought. The springs are the only thing I can think of that might be different out of the box. But having aftermarket springs in would make this null....

I am going to leave it and then see what the engineers are going to do. My head hurts.

[threedogs]

I get what your saying ET. So because of the Conversion, the motor is heavier that what was in there, the GVM on a factory fitted GU exactly as mine is 40kegs heavier. I would have thought because they are doing the engineering they would give the car a new GVM to that of factory spec. My original bucket and the new bucket with the brick are physically the same in every aspect, apart from the motor, I would have thought. The springs are the only thing I can think of that might be different out of the box. But having aftermarket springs in would make this null....

I am going to leave it and then see what the engineers are going to do. My head hurts.

You may have a new tow rating

[General]

Cheers man this was helpful

[the evil twin]

Cheers man this was helpful

Glad we could help get ya to the big Two Five

[Touses]

Glad we could help get ya to the big Two Five

Is that a literal comment or does it contain the merest hint of sarcasm?

[gubigfish]

Is that a literal comment or does it contain the merest hint of sarcasm?

I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say it was loaded with sarcasm :049:

[Touses]

I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say it was loaded with sarcasm :049:

Nah couldn't be, rules are 5k posts to qualify for sarcasm! 413 to go, keep your head down then!

[the evil twin]

Nah couldn't be, rules are 5k posts to qualify for sarcasm! 413 to go, keep your head down then!

412 now...

[BigRAWesty]

412 now...
How do you not have 5000 posts???

[mudski]

Heres something I have just found out. I was looking through the factory specs of the Y61. I had them emailed to me from Nissan when doing the TD conversion. The DX Patrol came out with split rims from factory. The tyre size is 7.50 R16. In the old money, the rolling diameter is 33inch. Give or take a bit depending on tyre brand.
Section LS 4.2.4 Overall tyre diameter states "The overall diameter of
any tyre fitted to:.....Must not be more than 50mm larger or 26mm smaller than that of any tyre designated by the vehicle manufacturer for that vehicle. "

Does this mean that if you have a DX you technically can get away with 35's?

[Winnie]

I would think that if it is allowed for the DX then it would be allowed for any model, because the 33" is an option on the Y61 Patrol.
Is there a limit on increase in tyre width?

[mudski]

I would think that if it is allowed for the DX then it would be allowed for any model, because the 33" is an option on the Y61 Patrol.
Is there a limit on increase in tyre width?

According to the spec sheet I have from Nissan. 33" in not an option on anything but the DX.
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B9vhdIIe9CXval9MZ1Z0c3FMUEU

[the evil twin]

How do you not have 5000 posts???

Because I exercise judicious restraint and tolerance only replying with coherent, relevant, thoughtful, incisive posts that are always 100% on topic...
aaand...
the $#%^%$ Mods deleted the other 15,000


snip...
Section LS 4.2.4 Overall tyre diameter states "The overall diameter of
any tyre fitted to:.....Must not be more than 50mm larger or 26mm smaller than that of any tyre designated by the vehicle manufacturer for that vehicle. "

Does this mean that if you have a DX you technically can get away with 35's?

'That vehicle' means that vehicle not a model or series run... so if you have a DX placarded by the manuf for 33's then cut sick.
As a point of interest I know of the odd case of people attempting to swap DX tyre placards onto ST's etc


I would think that if it is allowed for the DX then it would be allowed for any model, because the 33" is an option on the Y61 Patrol.
Is there a limit on increase in tyre width?

Yes, sort of...
While not specifically tyre width there is a limit in allowable track width (1 inch in NSW and 2 inches in other States for live axles or at least that is what it was a couple of years back)
Sooo...
As you increase tyre width you usually have to start changing rim offset so the inside of the tyre will clear the guards etc on full lock
Each inch of increased -ve rim offset will increase track by an inch (2 rims per axle/2)

[threedogs]

Heres something I have just found out. I was looking through the factory specs of the Y61. I had them emailed to me from Nissan when doing the TD conversion. The DX Patrol came out with split rims from factory. The tyre size is 7.50 R16. In the old money, the rolling diameter is 33inch. Give or take a bit depending on tyre brand.
Section LS 4.2.4 Overall tyre diameter states "The overall diameter of
any tyre fitted to:.....Must not be more than 50mm larger or 26mm smaller than that of any tyre designated by the vehicle manufacturer for that vehicle. "

Does this mean that if you have a DX you technically can get away with 35's?

If thats the case it must be pizzing off every ST,,,ST-L and Ti owner.
By the letter of law an increase of 50mm is legal eh,,,lol

Would make a good case to run 35"

[nissannewby]

Heres something I have just found out. I was looking through the factory specs of the Y61. I had them emailed to me from Nissan when doing the TD conversion. The DX Patrol came out with split rims from factory. The tyre size is 7.50 R16. In the old money, the rolling diameter is 33inch. Give or take a bit depending on tyre brand.
Section LS 4.2.4 Overall tyre diameter states "The overall diameter of
any tyre fitted to:.....Must not be more than 50mm larger or 26mm smaller than that of any tyre designated by the vehicle manufacturer for that vehicle. "

Does this mean that if you have a DX you technically can get away with 35's?

No. Because technically 2" is more than 50mm

[Cuppa]

No. Because technically 2" is more than 50mm

Might need the metric diameter of a 7.50 R16 AND the proposed '35's'. Not saying they would, but it's possible they might just scrape in under the ruling?

[nissannewby]

Might need the metric diameter of a 7.50 R16 AND the proposed '35's'. Not saying they would, but it's possible they might just scrape in under the ruling?

They are only 32" roughly.

[Cuppa]

They are only 32" roughly.

So maybe tyre manufacturers need to bring out 34" tyres? :D

[Winnie]

So maybe tyre manufacturers need to bring out 34" tyres? :D
They are around. I know a couple of people who run Simex jungle trekkers in 34s.

[mudski]

They are only 32" roughly.

I rang a local tyre mob today to ask them as I found the same out after looking closer and they said it all depends on the brand of tyre. Not every tyre is exactly the same in diameter. But he said there is some close to 32.4. But he would regard them as a 32inch tyre. We got onto the discussion about 285/75/16's how people call them 33's. Again he said, it varies between brands, some are 32.4 and some are 32.8. I wonder what brand tyre Nissan used of the Factory floor.
So yeah I don't think one could get away with this with the fuzz down here if they had a DX. Unless the copper didn't really know.

[MB]

So maybe tyre manufacturers need to bring out 34" tyres? :D
Very true Cuppa :-) and or have Australia's best Northern diesel tweakers legalise 35's :-)

[MB]

They are around. I know a couple of people who run Simex jungle trekkers in 34s.
G'day Mr Winnie, if I had a Mansfield gauntlet run choice, would personally take 35's in an honest pattern versus 34 jungle's that might scrape in technically but we know their look raises eyebrows:-) In saying that, again personal experiences proves some 'law folk' only tend to read the 35xXX numbers on the wall ;-)

[taslucas]

if I had a Mansfield gauntlet run......

Hahaha... Best!!

>>>tappin from tassie

[Throbbinhood]

Once again, while you may be correct to the letter of the law, the cop wont care, especially down Mansfield way. He'll slap the canary on just the same, and then it's on you to get it cleared at Vicroads.

[Throbbinhood]

Really need to push for a change to the ADR's. My brother in law has a 105 series cruiser with a 2" lift, 33's, one of those roof racks that has the high sides, and then a roof top tent on top of that. It is heaps more unstable than my 3"+35's with no rack or roof top, both onroad and off. The sway his gets on long winding corners, or when we are in any off camber off road is just crazy. But he's legal, and I'm not. Go figure.

[mudski]

Being top heavy with the rack and roof top won't help the cruiser, or any vehicle thats for sure.


They are around. I know a couple of people who run Simex jungle trekkers in 34s.

Hey Winne. Are those trekkers load and speed rated? If not they might aswell run around on 37's. Jaysee got done in Dargo for his Simex tyres for no load or speed rating, as well as being 35inch. Actually I think it would be worse to run on 34's with no load or speed rating. As they almost threw the book at Jaysee because of his tyres, everyone else with 35's, cept for me an Rossco, just got minor defects.

[Winnie]

I've got no idea if they do or not? Probably not actually!
Howcome you and Rossco got away with the 35s? Did they not check?

[Rossco]

I've got no idea if they do or not? Probably not actually!
Howcome you and Rossco got away with the 35s? Did they not check?
We were lucky and went a different way. We saw them later behind us, we turned right & they kept going. . . Must have been beer o clock ☺

[jay see]

Being top heavy with the rack and roof top won't help the cruiser, or any vehicle thats for sure.



Hey Winne. Are those trekkers load and speed rated? If not they might aswell run around on 37's. Jaysee got done in Dargo for his Simex tyres for no load or speed rating, as well as being 35inch. Actually I think it would be worse to run on 34's with no load or speed rating. As they almost threw the book at Jaysee because of his tyres, everyone else with 35's, cept for me an Rossco, just got minor defects.
They were rated cant remember if it was speed or load, but sure only one. They weren't going to listen to me anyway we did escape the fine tho. Another stupid thing was I had 1/2 hour to get the patrol which had illegal but appropriate wheels off the dirt roads, but the same illegal Wheels with good enough to drive me 400 kilometres home.

In the pass I've been done for things that were fine, all they said was "well you won't have any problems getting a roadworthy then."

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[the evil twin]

snip...Really need to push for a change to the ADR's.

You may well be right but if they did change ADR's I am offering 100:1 the change would not be in favour of 3 inch lift and 35 inch tyres

[mudski]

You may well be right but if they did change ADR's I am offering 100:1 the change would not be in favour of 3 inch lift and 35 inch tyres
Yeah i reckon... Even if they said you need to pass a swerve test with the 35s then you can run them. Would be ideal.

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[Magician]

height will be an issue for me a big lift on ironman suspension

[mudski]

Ok. Finally picked my Patrol up yesterday. Its now fully engineered for everything. Woo Hoo!
68966
I just wanna go for a drive to Mansfield now. Lol

I asked when I picked my car up about the Heep in the latest 4x4A mag that has 37's and a 4inch lift and is engineered. I even rang Double Black Offroad who did the work and asked how is this possible. Anything is possible my response was, plus the upgrades that went into the axles for the 37's. Not convinced I was.
So I asked yesterday and I was told that they must have used a NON Vic Roads (VASS) approved engineer. Which can sign off on pretty much anything, IF it passes all the required testing. This was something i did not know could be done. BUT, Vic Roads can refuse and cancel the certificate at any giving time.
So using a VASS approved engineer all is good. Also the current law is, under VSB14, the maximum height any vehicle can be engineered to is 150mm. Including tyres in this measurement. So them using a NON VASS engineer obviously can get around this, but you run the huge risk of Vic Roads calling for an inspection of your vehicle over the pits with their own inspector and if they don't approve, all your ride can be is a paddock basher or comp truck.

[rainsey]

Might be possible, but I'm guessing the inspector would need 2 know the rules for your state.

I found this from an article "MOTORING ENTHUSIASTS’ CONFERENCE EASTERN CREEK (http://www.rms.nsw.gov.au/documents/roads/registration/get-nsw-registration/eastern-creek-qa.pdf)"

29. Why won’t NSW recognise and accept engineering certificates issued by other Australian registration authorities?

Under the Commonwealth Mutual Recognition Act 1992 RMS can only accept certificates issued in
another State or Territory if the certificate was issued in accordance with legislation that is reasonably
equivalent to the NSW legislation.

NSW is currently reviewing the potential for certificates from other state s and territories to be recognised by NSW where appropriate.

I had a GVM upgrade performed in WA. I have a 6.5 Litre Chev engine installed by Brunswick in WA. I got the vehicle engineered in NSW.

Whilst the NSW engineer did not redo the certification for the GVM upgrade ( 500Kg) he did indicate it and the WA certification reference on his engineering report.

Ultimately, he certified my engine upgrade and it incorporated the WA certification with larger tyres. My Rego now represents the new Engine capacity, the new GVM and has a reference on the Rego form of the certification number.

It was dead easy and the NSW certification only cost me $800.

Kindest regards
Rainsey


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[mudski]

I just added a link to the OP regarding the new laws in NSW for vehicle lifts....

[PeeBee]

I had a GVM upgrade performed in WA. I have a 6.5 Litre Chev engine installed by Brunswick in WA. I got the vehicle engineered in NSW.

Whilst the NSW engineer did not redo the certification for the GVM upgrade ( 500Kg) he did indicate it and the WA certification reference on his engineering report.

Ultimately, he certified my engine upgrade and it incorporated the WA certification with larger tyres. My Rego now represents the new Engine capacity, the new GVM and has a reference on the Rego form of the certification number.

It was dead easy and the NSW certification only cost me $800.

Kindest regards
Rainsey


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I have the same WA GVM upgrade for my 6.5 upgrade. The VASS engineer I used refused to accept it due to a total lack of detail, and Vicroads refused as they won't accept it unless the VASS engineer signs off on it. So much for a National GVM certification standard. Right now, totally rooted and looking down the barrel of brake tests and axle load verification and spring validation. Totally annoyed as the root of this lies with having to use a select VASS inspector who is 'friendly' to the WA certifier, and yes I can back this up, for the record. I never went this route due to a requirement to subject the vehicle to a full RWC (which is not a requirement of Vicroads) plus replacement of all the existing suspension by them, regardless of whether it was 10 years old or brand spanking new, straight out of the warehouse. Makes a total mockery of unbiased verification in my view. The response from the conversion company is 'oh well, you are having a rough trot, sorry, can't help. Not happy.

[Yeti's Beast]

On the lights are you sure??
80 series yes you'd be over.
But patrols have 1 pair of head lights..
So with 1 pair of spot lights and one light bar fitted to the center your legal..
If you have 2 pairs of aftermarket spotties and a light bar then your 1 over..

Howdy
When I purchased my light bar I read up on the qld transport website for the do's and dont' and they claim the light can't be in the drivers line of sight 70209
I ended up putting mine lower than I wanted to keep Mr Plod happy 70210


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[Yeti's Beast]

Howdy
When I purchased my light bar I read up on the qld transport website for the do's and dont' and they claim the light can't be in the drivers line of sight 70209
I ended up putting mine lower than I wanted to keep Mr Plod happy 70210


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[DaveGQ]

BUMP!!

Any new info on this? Has anyone successfully managed to get 35's certified in Vic?

I'm looking at getting a cert for my 3" lift and 35's after my latest run-in with the Vic High Country troopers!

I've made a few phone calls to the VASS list and have seemed to get the run around. Finally found one place that will book me in for an initial inspection. If that falls through I'd prefer to try someone that you guys can recommend.

(Have read this entire thread and see that 4x4 Obsession and Engleman are mentioned favourably, but I don't see them on the VASS list?)

[mudski]

You won’t get anything larger than a 33 engineered on a Y60 or Y61 Patrol period. Unless you spend 20k for portal axles then you can. Only. Use VASS approved engineers too. The police and Vic roads cannot argue with their compliance. Use a non vass approved engineer, they can.
I use 4x4 Obsession for my cert. he even did a pre inspection before I booked it in to give me a heads up just in case.


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[PeeBee]

VASS certification for portals will cost you around the 6K mark for a GQ. Thats what I was quoted when I looked into it for mine. Marks 4x4 never put the GQ through second tier certification, hence why the GQ punter has to go the extra mile. The GU however has been fully certified, so the 22K number stands as Mudski said.

[mudski]

VASS certification for portals will cost you around the 6K mark for a GQ. Thats what I was quoted when I looked into it for mine. Marks 4x4 never put the GQ through second tier certification, hence why the GQ punter has to go the extra mile. The GU however has been fully certified, so the 22K number stands as Mudski said.

So it’s an extra 6k on top of the cost of the portals instal? Yikes!


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[PeeBee]

So it’s an extra 6k on top of the cost of the portals instal? Yikes!


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Yep, and this was from the only VASS engineer who would take it on. Brake and swerve test need to be done, plus 'who knows what'.

[mudski]

Yep, and this was from the only VASS engineer who would take it on. Brake and swerve test need to be done, plus 'who knows what'.

Seems a bit of a rort to me to be charging 6k for an engineers cert for Portals. I know theres more involved but...

[PeeBee]

Yep, after seeing the hoops I had to jump thru, then the actual level or 'engineering certification' which essentially was a visual inspect then the brake test, 6k is rediculous but if you want the toys you gotta pay, or run the gauntlet and end up with something that cant be driven on the road legally or only at night - anyone come to mind?????

[mudski]

Yep, after seeing the hoops I had to jump thru, then the actual level or 'engineering certification' which essentially was a visual inspect then the brake test, 6k is rediculous but if you want the toys you gotta pay, or run the gauntlet and end up with something that cant be driven on the road legally or only at night - anyone come to mind?????

*cough* Darren!!!! *cough*

[PeeBee]

cough, cough, seems I have caught what you have!

[threedogs]

Question is it really worth doing all these mods , Portals etc
would money be better spent on a top of the line Duramax and two lockers??
Just saying must be getting old maybe ha ha ha

[Throbbinhood]

I'd happily run 37's no lift just a ridiculous guard chop if I could get it engineered. Low, stable, great clearance. Throw in lockers and it'd be mint.

[mudski]

Question is it really worth doing all these mods , Portals etc
would money be better spent on a top of the line Duramax and two lockers??
Just saying must be getting old maybe ha ha ha

A duramax doesn't give you an axle height lift that Portals would. Depends on the person, what their current ride has and what their desires are.

[GQtdauto]

A duramax doesn't give you an axle height lift that Portals would. Depends on the person, what their current ride has and what their desires are.

A combination of Duramax and portals would be something a lot would like but you'd be into $70 plus grand , ok if you won Tatts I suppose .
Back in the real world stick to 33's and a two inch lift .

[mudski]

A combination of Duramax and portals would be something a lot would like but you'd be into $70 plus grand , ok if you won Tatts I suppose .
Back in the real world stick to 33's and a two inch lift .

Yeah just imagine what you could build if money wasn't an issue.

[the evil twin]

You mean something like this...

http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171222/516e095b3528dd414142ce701f8f09cc.jpg

[DaveGQ]

Yeah, so after going on a wild goose chase and getting the run around, I've given up on VASS engineering. Was prepared to drop around $3k to do it all but no one wants to take my money.

All I wanted certified was a 3" suspension lift and 35's.

Last engineer I spoke to (well it was Chinese whispers through his secretary) told me it can't be done because it's "illegal" .... umm derr , that's why I need you... if I kept it within the ADR then I wouldn't really need an engineer would I!?!?! FFS!!

Too hard basket!

[mudski]

Yeah, so after going on a wild goose chase and getting the run around, I've given up on VASS engineering. Was prepared to drop around $3k to do it all but no one wants to take my money.

All I wanted certified was a 3" suspension lift and 35's.

Last engineer I spoke to (well it was Chinese whispers through his secretary) told me it can't be done because it's "illegal" .... umm derr , that's why I need you... if I kept it within the ADR then I wouldn't really need an engineer would I!?!?! FFS!!

Too hard basket!

You wont get 35's engineered mate. Period. The engineers can't just engineer anything that comes through their doors, regardless of how well set up the vehicle is. It doesn't work like that. They have a set of rules they must abide by called VSB14 which is provided by the grubernment, and have a limit on how far they can go in regards to modifications. 35's are NOT allowed. So forget about trying.

The engineer I used, will only do up to 4 inch lift. So you are right there. But forget about 35's. Speak to Brett at 4x4 Obsession, he will tell you how it is.

Yes different engineers will tell you slightly different things. I remember finding this out too. But all of them, must abide by the same rules.

I did it. So its not that hard.

[AB]

You wont get 35's engineered mate. Period. The engineers can't just engineer anything that comes through their doors, regardless of how well set up the vehicle is. It doesn't work like that. They have a set of rules they must abide by called VSB14 which is provided by the grubernment, and have a limit on how far they can go in regards to modifications. 35's are NOT allowed. So forget about trying.

The engineer I used, will only do up to 4 inch lift. So you are right there. But forget about 35's. Speak to Brett at 4x4 Obsession, he will tell you how it is.

Yes different engineers will tell you slightly different things. I remember finding this out too. But all of them, must abide by the same rules.

I did it. So its not that hard.

I may be wrong but didn't Simon Christie gets his Yoda engineered with 35's?


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[MB]

The whole debacle of 35’s on say even only a 2” solid lift is crap IMO! Once hired one of them Kiwi company owned hire motor homes for a family funeral dash north and was scared shitless of its balance. How on earth could those top heavy junkers pass a swerve test and not a fair built Patrol :-( !


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[AB]

The whole debacle of 35’s on say even only a 2” solid lift is crap IMO! Once hired one of them Kiwi company owned hire motor homes for a family funeral dash north and was scared shitless of its balance. How on earth could those top heavy junkers pass a swerve test and not a fair built Patrol :-( !


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Might have to get our patrols engineered to umm deliver playgrounds in remote communities.

Think of the children!!!


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[MB]

GU Portals Lotto win maybe possible. Too bad you’re a GQ classic top bloke ;-)


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[mudski]

I may be wrong but didn't Simon Christie gets his Yoda engineered with 35's?


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Not sure but I know Brett at 4x4 Obsession wouldn’t have pass it.
You can get 35s engineered. But not from a VASS approved engineer. So if you did this, a cop and or the rta/ Vic roads still can argue it and deny the cert. if Vic roads deny it, they can then deem the vehicle to never be registered again there making your pride an joy an expensive comp truck.


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[MB]

See you up yonder old bloke:-)
https://youtu.be/uHZJej98_T0


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[MB]

Pontiac’s Rock Tough, IMO:-) http://www.nissanpatrol.com.au/forums/images/imported/2018/05/102.jpg


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[trevbad]

Cheers for info.

[mudski]

Pontiac’s Rock Tough, IMO:-) http://www.nissanpatrol.com.au/forums/images/imported/2018/05/102.jpg


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One of them or a 79' black Stingray sitting in my garage, that i dont have, is my dream.

[MB]

Targa Tops & Portal Axles, Happy Days :-)


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[mudski]

Targa Tops & Portal Axles, Happy Days :-)


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Yeah baby!!!

[Ali1111]

Hello all :groupwave:

I need maintenance manual of Nissan patrol 4.8 Gasoline engine, any year made because they are all same. spent too long searching but no luck. I didn't know that there are diesel engine, all Nissan cars are gasoline engine where I live. I am really no sure about the type that I need but relying on the search I think the gasoline engine is GR type. if any one can help me I will be so grateful.


best regards

[MB]

Welcome aboard Ali mate!
GR is just another code for the Aussie named GU I believe. Yes we have diesels here too and hopefully some kind folk here can help paste the ‘manuals download’ link for you soon. [emoji106]


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[Ali1111]

Welcome aboard Ali mate!
GR is just another code for the Aussie named GU I believe. Yes we have diesels here too and hopefully some kind folk here can help paste the ‘manuals download’ link for you soon. [emoji106]


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thanks a lot
:hpfredgeorge1::bananarock::bigthumbup:

[Valkyr18]

Incorrect, most do. Too much current draw with both lit on the common negative wire and also too much heat to dissipate in the lamp assembly. Look at car next time with blown high, it will only have the park lamp (if not blown too).
Big GU is correct in the technical respect.

[mudski]

Incorrect, most do. Too much current draw with both lit on the common negative wire and also too much heat to dissipate in the lamp assembly. Look at car next time with blown high, it will only have the park lamp (if not blown too).
Big GU is correct in the technical respect.

77027............

[PeeBee]

77027............

I think he is saying the pastry fluff not good under a stiff breeze, so check with your neighbour and see what goes with the flushing. Simples!!

[mudski]

I think he is saying the pastry fluff not good under a stiff breeze, so check with your neighbour and see what goes with the flushing. Simples!!
77028........

[rusty_nail]

77027............
I think he is saying the pastry fluff not good under a stiff breeze, so check with your neighbour and see what goes with the flushing. Simples!!He's done the same in a few other threads. He's a new member, maybe he thinks he needs 25, posts to get the manuals lol

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[PeeBee]

He's done the same in a few other threads. He's a new member, maybe he thinks he needs 25, posts to get the manuals lol

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I back tracked a couple of pages to try and find the link and make sense but decided to ring my old mate MB for a translation and thats what he told me he was really saying!

[MB]

Incorrect, most don’t. The mass of aftermarket wire accumulated throughout some 6.5 GQ’s can be likened to ballast required within Arctic material ships bound for Julenissen’s Chateau prior to the 25th.



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[mudski]

Incorrect, most don’t. The mass of aftermarket wire accumulated throughout some 6.5 GQ’s can be likened to ballast required within Arctic material ships bound for Julenissen’s Chateau prior to the 25th.



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It all makes sense now. Thanks for clearing that up.

[PeeBee]

It all makes sense now. Thanks for clearing that up.

Ah yes, he is still here!!!

[swamprat]

has anyone had there GU engineered with a 6bt in victoria , what was involved & requieded , cheers

[PeeBee]

I worked with a guy in Shepparton 2 yrs ago and he had done the conversion and it was engineered. he was actually selling the kits, sorry, can't remember his name. He had heaps of problems with the VASS engineer getting it across the line as the weight was absolutely line ball on the front axle capacity. The only config he could run to get the VASS certificate was a single front battery, aluminium bullbar and no winch or driving lights. He had the 24V engine and apparently it went like a cut cat. he ran 37" for his daily tyres and it looked the part. Heavy motor, great performance, lots of headaches in the detail, his was a manual also from memory.

[swamprat]

yes i have bought his original 6bt patrol 12 valve , which i need to engineer , plan on moving engine back as far as i can then will weigh front axle & see how it looks

[PeeBee]

yes i have bought his original 6bt patrol 12 valve , which i need to engineer , plan on moving engine back as far as i can then will weigh front axle & see how it looks

Can he supply you with the info you seek?