Engine "ticking noise"

[MikeBossyBos]

Hey guys,
I have a 1989 Nissan Patrol GQ
About 6 months ago, dad was driving to work when he started hearing this from the engine.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fjkrSb2BNfo&feature=youtu.be

The car has sat out the front of the house since then until now as i have time to work on it.
If someone has any idea whats possibly wrong with the engine i would be very grateful as it would make my life a lot easier when it comes to repairing the problem.

Thanks in advanced,
Mike

[my third 256]

soundslike noisy tappet or lifter
rocker cover needs to come off to check
also when running put a screwdriver to different parts of motor and to your ear and listen
can give you an idear where it is comming from

[the ferret]

Problem is in the valve train, when turning over I can hear that a valve is failing to seal.
Cheers, the ferret.

[MikeBossyBos]

thanks for the reply, ill have a look tomorrow, get some pics of what i find

[zjuul]

are there hydraulic tappets used in this motors? it sounds like a valve in my ears.

[Robo]

Guess, as it sounds very loud over the engine.
Rocker adjusting bolt come loose and push rod hammering rocker etc.
Or broken rocker.
Or bent push rod.

check rocker shaft for wear on the under side.
I recently replaced my shaft and rockers and now the engine nice and quite again.
no more tick tick.
good luck

[MikeBossyBos]

Unfortunately, all the tappets are fine... :(

means i have to dig deeper

[threedogs]

Ok that rules out the top of the Motor,
What about a bent valve as the Ferret suggests a valve not seating

[MikeBossyBos]

only one way to find out.

[threedogs]

Out with the spanners my friend, do these motors have a timing belt or chain ?
Maybe that's slipped a tooth

[the ferret]

Start it up, hold a card against the end of exhaust pipe, the pressure should hold the card away, however if the card is pulled back against the exhaust now and then, you have a burnt valve, most likely exhaust valve.
If there was a hole in the piston or top of piston broken off, there would be huge blowby, A broken plug or a broken glo plug can cause bent valves
Cheers, the ferret.

[MikeBossyBos]

these are belts. have checked all belts and their fine.
Last service was 10k ago

[the ferret]

First thing, check timing and rule that out.
Cheers, the ferret.

[threedogs]

A small piece of broken piston flying around will make a hell of a racket.
But check timing , do all the simple things first,
Could even put some vacuum gauges on to see whats up
BTW what motor and how many Ks on the clock

[MikeBossyBos]

Its a TB42 carbie and its just ticked over to 280 000.

[threedogs]

Hope its nothing major, 2nd hand motor would be cheap if its no good

[MikeBossyBos]

Would timing really be an issue making that big racket? means i have to but everything back together enough to start the car then take it all apart again. Is it worth my time? if it is i'll do it, but i don't want to have to keep assembling the car and taking it apart again. id rather just go the whole hog and take it all apart till i find whats wrong with it.

Now, how far down into the engine can i go before i should fully remove it to work on it? and if i can keep it in the car, how far can i go down before all the fluids have to come out and fuel lines need to be plugged ect...

[the ferret]

First check timing and timing components, then do compression test, this will tell you where to look.
If it's a valve problem the motor can stay in.
Other than that, it's easier to work on it on the bench.
If the head needs to come off, drain water and oil.
The engine has a valve problem by the sound of it when starting.
Cheers, the ferret.

[MikeBossyBos]

Thanks for that ferret,
what sort of compression should i be expecting? cant seem to find it in the service manual or im not looking for the right thing.

[the ferret]

Don't worry about optimum (130 to 175 PSI) cranking pressure at the moment, just do a compression test and see if each cylinder has the same or within say 5 or 10lbs, I feel you will find one cylinder has a VERY low reading..
Cheers, the ferret.

[NP99]

these are belts. have checked all belts and their fine.
Last service was 10k ago

How old is the oil and what grade?

[Parksy]

To me it sounds like the engine ran without oil or the incorrect grade oil. I'd be draining the oil and checking for metallic particulates just to try and eliminate that possibility.

[threedogs]

If it ran out of oil the first place to feel it will be the rocker gear, so
getting interesting now

[my third 256]

where abouts in adelaide are you
i have a compression tester we can use
im in enfield
send us a pm and we can work something out

[NP99]

To me it sounds like the engine ran without oil or the incorrect grade oil. I'd be draining the oil and checking for metallic particulates just to try and eliminate that possibility.

That was my thinking, cheaper starting point too.

[MikeBossyBos]

How old is the oil and what grade?

the last service was 10k ago. oil used was 15w40.


To me it sounds like the engine ran without oil or the incorrect grade oil. I'd be draining the oil and checking for metallic particulates just to try and eliminate that possibility.

what i did find was that there was the air filter had oil inside it.


If it ran out of oil the first place to feel it will be the rocker gear, so
getting interesting now


where abouts in adelaide are you
i have a compression tester we can use
im in enfield
send us a pm and we can work something out

ill send you a message

[NP99]

the last service was 10k ago. oil used was 15w40.



what i did find was that there was the air filter had oil inside it.





ill send you a message

With that many Ks on the clock, I'd try some 20/50 oil, it's due for a change/service now anyway.

[MikeBossyBos]

so as everyone knows circumstantial change. i now start my apprenticeship in 2 weeks so i will have no time to properly work on the car. and seeing as i need the car so i can go away straight after Christmas it looks like im going to be taking it to a mechanic with a 'new' engine for them to swap into it.

However, i will be keeping the old engine so i can work on that myself and hopefully rebuild it properly when i have more time and knowledge.

[threedogs]

you could rebuild it for a turbo

[MikeBossyBos]

you could rebuild it for a turbo

i could, but it would chew through fuel and being an apprentice, i'm not going to have the most amount of money for fuel any time soon. but that would definitely be on the cards for the future.

[sledge]

Hi guys im new to this forum stuff, to (mikebossybos)..your highroof patrol is my old 4x4 i had it for about four years & traded it in ten years ago..Easter 2004.. gr8t truck

[MikeBossyBos]

Not sure if anyone remembers this but i finally got around to taking the pistons out of the engine. All it was was a shattered compression ring on number 4 cylinder.

[jimspenz]

You probably have a problem with the actuator, which is the ticking sound you are hearing.You will need to remove the radio and the left hand(drivers) sound insulator to access the actuator. It has plastic gears that break over time, and clicking sound is the motor trying to move the blend door.