Tigerz11 banned from Melbourne 4x4 show

[Maxhead]

Just heard from a mate who's telling me Tigers got banned from the Melbourne 4x4 show!!!

I'm not surprised but who knows the whole story...I don't know the details..Is it because of their crap quality or them undercutting everyone???

[taslucas]

Thats interesting. Any more details?

[MudRunnerTD]

I cant imagine that is true!!! that would be brave of them to do a show without 4wdAction support!

Maybe! That would be Huge!

Plenty of other sponsors very unhappy with them though! the likes of ARB and alike very much do not like them.

[threedogs]

I'll make a few calls tomorrow and see what I can find out.
All I know is alot of ppl aren't happy with 4wd action and their association with Tigerz

[BigRAWesty]

That would be huge.. and off true it needs to be well publicized so all the young up and comers don't get caught out..

Kallen Westbrook
Owner of
Westy's Accessories (http://www.nissanpatrol.com.au/forums/showthread.php?15134-Westy-s-Accessories.-A-small-back-yard-builder.)

[NP99]

Roo systems are banned too. Allegedly their low prices have upset the competitors. If that's true (Roothy has made a video to that effect) it's wrong. We need compitetion in the 4WD market as a lot of gear is over priced. In response to the ban, both companies have lowered the prices even more!

[Maxhead]

Can't find anything on Google at all...

Yeah I agree prices have to come down but the quality needs to be good which is not currently the case with Tigerz

[MudRunnerTD]

Roo systems are banned too. Allegedly their low prices have upset the competitors. If that's true (Roothy has made a video to that effect) it's wrong. We need compitetion in the 4WD market as a lot of gear is over priced. In response to the ban, both companies have lowered the prices even more!

The problem with what they are doing is not the cheap pricing. Its the fact that they have taken the products of all the big names, of all the previous long term industry supporter and legitimate advertisers of their magazines and taken them to China and DIRECTLY COPIED the product and imported it with their own sticker.

ARB were basically told to get over it! we copied your bar, anyone can make a bar. and here is ours! its the same as yours! (except its made of thinner steel using cheaper Chinese labour)

I agree that the price of many items is over the top but often you pay for the Development of the item too and for keeping those jobs in Australia. I am not a Charity and i am guilty of buying from Overseas. But what Tigerz and 4x4action have done to the industry is a disgrace!

Rape and Pillage! Call Michelle Sacs or Powerful, or ARB, or Kaymar, or TJM, orBlack Widow.

The list is LONG!

[taslucas]

I hate how everything comes down to price these days. Its the same old story: Is it cr@p because its cheap or alternatively, is it a rip off beacuase it costs more?

I just did a litlle search and got a few interesting threads pop up from the 4wd Action forum. Theres one that questions if Roo system winches are rebranded tigerz. Now which winch should have the 4wda loyalty? lol

[NP99]

The roof racks look similar between the two companies as well! About $200 is the only difference.

[nissannewby]

It's actually EMG. EMG own 4wd action and its asscociates (tigerz, roo systems etc)

[MudRunnerTD]

OK it is TRUE!!

As NP99 states Roothy has a Video out advising of the Ban. I have not watched it and dont use their Forum at all but apparently is is all over it over their.

They state somewhere that it is Un Australian for them to be treated this way! What is Un-Australian is to cut the grass of every Australian Manufacturer and strip the industry to the bone in favour of Cheap Chinese product.

Cant wait for the Melbourne 4x4 Show now!! Might even Go!!

Here is a Link to Roothys video if anyone is interested.

Roothy is Sad!! (http://video.4wdaction.com.au/video/11/roothy-protest-deals)

[nissannewby]

The problem with what they are doing is not the cheap pricing. Its the fact that they have taken the products of all the big names, of all the previous long term industry supporter and legitimate advertisers of their magazines and taken them to China and DIRECTLY COPIED the product and imported it with their own sticker.

ARB were basically told to get over it! we copied your bar, anyone can make a bar. and here is ours! its the same as yours! (except its made of thinner steel using cheaper Chinese labour)

I agree that the price of many items is over the top but often you pay for the Development of the item too and for keeping those jobs in Australia. I am not a Charity and i am guilty of buying from Overseas. But what Tigerz and 4x4action have done to the industry is a disgrace!

Rape and Pillage! Call Michelle Sacs or Powerful, or ARB, or Kaymar, or TJM, orBlack Widow.

The list is LONG!

These bigger companies are a little guilty of it too only a little though. They do purchase and resell from certain suppliers. For example I am look for an awning. I went to TJM, ARB and ironman. All the awnings were absolutely identical and I mean identical down to the smallest detail. The only difference the price and surprisingly TJM was the dearest.

[MudRunnerTD]

Wow!!! There is 37seconds i wont get back!!

Now i am ANGRY!!!

FKN Roothy calling them getting banned Un-Australian!!!! Nothing about TigerzII is Australian Nothing! Goodbye Leeches

[BigRAWesty]

I'm glad you guys have bought all this up.. its the same with coles wollies etc.. jump on there site and see what they own...
We had another local dairy farmer shut the gates this week down here... All because of this raise economy and $1/L milk.. its only like 20c more a liter to buy the real stuff..
From the same place i hear you say.. yep you right.. but I buy milk that is milk.. not 40% water..
And I buy my meat from a butcher.. when I buy a kilo of beef, I'm getting a kilo of beef.. not 700grms pumped up with water to 1 kilo... So in the end we buy less meat and end up with the same on the plate...

It f-ing grinds my gears.. and you guys will hopefully see a big change with westy's accessories in the coming months.. I'm making a stand.. and I hope you guys do to..

Kallen Westbrook
Owner of
Westy's Accessories (http://www.nissanpatrol.com.au/forums/showthread.php?15134-Westy-s-Accessories.-A-small-back-yard-builder.)

[gaddy]

Agree that competition is needed , but it has to like for like in quality , why hasn't someone done a crash or vibration test on bars for all suppliers , same with winches , put them on a test rig load them up and run them over and over to see who dies first , an honest comparison including back up service . and if it was done by a major market player all the better ,this would clear the air , a well informed customer is a repeat customer , I choose the name brand on major items bars etc purely on their back up service and RND and that they comply to ADR in the event of a major accident . just my 2 bobs worth

Steve

[Bloodyaussie]

I really dont know what to say about all of this, its inbarrasing! !!!

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[nissannewby]

Yep. Supercheap is the same. It owns BCF, rays outdoors, wanderer etc too.

Apart from roothy's company man rant its EMG to blame at the top, then these other schemers who have sold out to them(tigerz , roo systems etc)

Darren I'm with you 100% mate. It is wrong what they have done and this is why I haven't bought the mag in over 12 months.

[taslucas]

Just watched the vid thanks for the link Darren.

I am really starting to dislike roothy's condescending and smug attitude. While searching, i found my way to his face book page and was astounded by the amount of cr@p he spews out!!!

[NP99]

I'm not sure how vendors and shows work with hiring space at the shows, but I guess if I was running a show, I'd pick and choose what vendors I wanted at my show. That's not banning anyone that's me picking vendors that will turn turnstiles!

Rays Outdoors, BCF, Supercheap and Annaconda are all owned by the one company.......mostly Chinese crap at over inflated prices!!!

[NP99]

I'm not sure how vendors and shows work with hiring space at the shows, but I guess if I was running a show, I'd pick and choose what vendors I wanted at my show. That's not banning anyone that's me picking vendors that will turn turnstiles!

Rays Outdoors, BCF, Supercheap and Annaconda are all owned by the one company.......mostly Chinese crap at over inflated prices!!!

[taslucas]

Agree that competition is needed , but it has to like for like in quality , why hasn't someone done a crash or vibration test on bars for all suppliers , same with winches , put them on a test rig load them up and run them over and over to see who dies first , an honest comparison including back up service . and if it was done by a major market player all the better ,this would clear the air , a well informed customer is a repeat customer , I choose the name brand on major items bars etc purely on their back up service and RND and that they comply to ADR in the event of a major accident . just my 2 bobs worth

Steve

There is a certain magazine that does heaps of comparisons. Unfortunately the long suspected favourtism has become blatantly obvious. I stopped buying that magazine and any from the same publisher 18 months ago.

[MudRunnerTD]

Agree that competition is needed , but it has to like for like in quality , why hasn't someone done a crash or vibration test on bars for all suppliers , same with winches , put them on a test rig load them up and run them over and over to see who dies first , an honest comparison including back up service . and if it was done by a major market player all the better ,this would clear the air , a well informed customer is a repeat customer , I choose the name brand on major items bars etc purely on their back up service and RND and that they comply to ADR in the event of a major accident . just my 2 bobs worth

Steve


LMFAO!!!!

Thanks Steve,

I reckon we should have an Industry Magazine that provides it readers with Real World Product testing and Real World comparos without a Commercial Interest in the Outcome!!! Great Idea.

Im sure i used to subscribe to a Magazine that did that!!!

[04OFF]

I am really starting to dislike roothy's condescending and smug attitude. While searching, i found my way to his face book page and was astounded by the amount of cr@p he spews out!!!



Who is this "roothy" and what does he do anyway ?

[Bloodyaussie]

I bought that 4x4 monthly I think it's called and liked it...... not owned by emg.

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[threedogs]

Up until recently all straps were made by one victorian company , now I think they are made overseas.
I've been receiving emails for about a year and a bit about 4wd action under cutting everyone, Now all
the cards are on the table its going to get very interesting indeed.This might shake up the industry. Roothy might realise the 4wd world does not revolve around him.
Sad but true John You have my details

@ 4OFF Roothy is a guy that'll show you 101 ways to cut up a BJ47 into the ultimate tourer

[Winnie]

This is great! I love it! The show will get a LOT of support now.

[ozzyboy]

tough one this. Maybe if the bigger 4x4 franchises didn't have the ridiculous mark up on their prices, people would choose to buy there instead of the alternatives.
There are a lot of products, that are identical to the big name brands, (some might even say out of the same factory), that are HALF the price of the brand names.
just sayin

ozz

[threedogs]

I luv the idea of just 4x4 product testing,
But isnt that what the Mags do now,

[MudRunnerTD]

Imagine a 4x4 mag that did Product testing and Comparos where Tigerz gear actually had to stack up against the named brands! WOW!

[BigRAWesty]

But when you put those products side by side there are a lot of differences. Mostly quality.. ie the stiching on a bull bar.. arb may do 50mm welds every 100, imports do 30mm every 200.. save time, money but is a lot weaker..
Also the arb have put in the hours into r&d, testing and passing aus regs.. the coppies do just that.. copy it.. so they have less to recoup so don't charge as much..

I argree that the prices are high, but once you take all the costs and stuff out there ain't much left..

Kallen Westbrook
Owner of
Westy's Accessories (http://www.nissanpatrol.com.au/forums/showthread.php?15134-Westy-s-Accessories.-A-small-back-yard-builder.)

[taslucas]

I bought that 4x4 monthly I think it's called and liked it...... not owned by emg.

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Im pretty sure 4wd Monthly is owned by emg.

[BigRAWesty]

I'm costing 4x4 action money. Me mother works in a news agency.. anything that doesn't get sold I get.. so I get a free laugh really..

Kallen Westbrook
Owner of
Westy's Accessories (http://www.nissanpatrol.com.au/forums/showthread.php?15134-Westy-s-Accessories.-A-small-back-yard-builder.)

[gaddy]

Imagine a 4x4 mag that did Product testing and Comparos where Tigerz gear actually had to stack up against the named brands! WOW!

That would be the best outcome and if the name brands are confidient they should do it and if the imports are confidant they should. we are in the age of technology dosnt need to be in a mag for people to see it.

Steve

[Bloodyaussie]

It is called 4x4 Australia and it is owned by ACP.... and there is no advertising by any of the cheap brands!!!!

[NP99]

Banning them has probably provided cheap/free advertising and generated more $$$$

[Yendor]

Imagine a 4x4 mag that did Product testing and Comparos where Tigerz gear actually had to stack up against the named brands! WOW!

Printed media is dead...... it's controlled by big organisations with hidden agendas.

[NP99]

Printed media is dead...... it's controlled by big organisations with hidden agendas.

Newsagents will soon be selling lotto only!

[Winnie]

I reckon the only reason people buy 4WD Action is for the DVD. My mate buys it every month and I watch it at his place. Not too bad when you skip all the ads.

[The BigFella]

Wow, what a hornets nest,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
The problem here is attitude, we have been flogged by the big boys for decade.
Told that cheaper was always best!
When was the last time one of you researched prices and went straight to the cheapest quote, yes you may have side stepped him in favour for the second or third highest price.
But essentially our collective attitudes towards retail and all things buying is go for the cheapest price!
Now don't confuse cheap prices with cheap products here, I am talking about equivalent products at marginally different prices.

The cheap imports no matter where they come from are all doing our country great harm!
I know of 6x dairy farmers who have been forced to source work away from the farm.
They cant sell cause they're too far in debt. And dont get me started on the wave of imports currently smashing our shores from the States. Yes I make some dollars from towing them around the country, for this I am a hypocrite. However if "we" continue down this road and do nothing to turn the flow there will be no manufacturing, there will be no industry other then digging up our soil and we all know this is destined for over seas!

I have, for years battled with my wife trying to get her to stop buying the cheap milk, bread and "coles" "woolies" brands in favour of local or home grown produce and products.
Its a hard slog changing attitude, ask our parents!

Rant over,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

[Yendor]

Printed media is dead...... it's controlled by big organisations with hidden agendas.

There's always Women weekly.......lol

I see the thread on 4WD Action has been deleted.......I bet their in damage control.

[NP99]

Wow, what a hornets nest,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
The problem here is attitude, we have been flogged by the big boys for decade.
Told that cheaper was always best!
When was the last time one of you researched prices and went straight to the cheapest quote, yes you may have side stepped him in favour for the second or third highest price.
But essentially our collective attitudes towards retail and all things buying is go for the cheapest price!
Now don't confuse cheap prices with cheap products here, I am talking about equivalent products at marginally different prices.

The cheap imports no matter where they come from are all doing our country great harm!
I know of 6x dairy farmers who have been forced to source work away from the farm.
They cant sell cause they're too far in debt. And dont get me started on the wave of imports currently smashing our shores from the States. Yes I make some dollars from towing them around the country, for this I am a hypocrite. However if "we" continue down this road and do nothing to turn the flow there will be no manufacturing, there will be no industry other then digging up our soil and we all know this is destined for over seas!

I have, for years battled with my wife trying to get her to stop buying the cheap milk, bread and "coles" "woolies" brands in favour of local or home grown produce and products.
Its a hard slog changing attitude, ask our parents!

Rant over,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

That's one of the reasons we went to gst..........service tax rather than manufacturing tax

[taslucas]

Printed media is dead...... it's controlled by big organisations with hidden agendas.

It has been like that since the start

[Bloodyaussie]

There's always Women weekly.......lol

I see the thread on 4WD Action has been deleted.......I bet their in damage control.

The censorship is appalling....... !!!!

[ozzyboy]

example:
holden lower their price for the ss commodore by $9800 to bring customers back?
How is it, they can knock near 10k off the price, still make a profit, and we, the consumers think this is acceptable?
imo, if you bought a ss commodore last year, you were over charged 10k, due to inflated prices for higher profits

ozz

[taslucas]

There's always Women weekly.......lol

I see the thread on 4WD Action has been deleted.......I bet their in damage control.

heres a joke i heard: "cosmo magazine purposely prints bad sex advice so that its readers remain single and keep buying the mag" lol.

[growler2058]

Used to subscribe don't anymore for all the reasons above
But darling mother in law got me a subscription. I grab the DVD out chuck the mag in the recycle bin and skip the ads. Except if a members got an article showing
BTW anyone notice how thin the DVD is now bloody half the thickness!!!


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[Bloodyaussie]

heres a joke i heard: "cosmo magazine purposely prints bad sex advice so that its readers remain single and keep buying the mag" lol.

And man did not really land on the moon its all a conspiracy !!!!!

[taslucas]

example:
holden lower their price for the ss commodore by $9800 to bring customers back?
How is it, they can knock near 10k off the price, still make a profit, and we, the consumers think this is acceptable?
imo, if you bought a ss commodore last year, you were over charged 10k, due to inflated prices for higher profits

ozz

I know what your saying but the alternative is all things produced by Not For Profit organisations. Next step communism? lol

[growler2058]

heres a joke i heard: "cosmo magazine purposely prints bad sex advice so that its readers remain single and keep buying the mag" lol.

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha hahahahahahahgahahahahahahahahaha


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[taslucas]

heres a joke i heard: "cosmo magazine purposely prints bad sex advice so that its readers remain single and keep buying the mag" lol.


And man did not really land on the moon its all a conspiracy !!!!!

One of these is probably true...... lol

[lhurley]

The reason more people are buying the cheaper products is because we cant afford to buy the big name brands. Yes i would love to have a car fully kitted out with arb and the likes, but am i willing to put near $10k into it?? No i am not. I cant afford to be spending $1500 on a steel bar or rear protection, so i go for something cheaper. I always try to help out the little local guy, even if they arent the cheapest, but sometimes, 100% dependant on what it is, you need to choose a cheaper copy because it just to expensive to buy the big aussie beand names.

[Yendor]

example:
holden lower their price for the ss commodore by $9800 to bring customers back?
How is it, they can knock near 10k off the price, still make a profit, and we, the consumers think this is acceptable?
imo, if you bought a ss commodore last year, you were over charged 10k, due to inflated prices for higher profits

ozz

I think you will find that money has come from our government......sorry us tax payers.

[Yendor]

heres a joke i heard: "cosmo magazine purposely prints bad sex advice so that its readers remain single and keep buying the mag" lol.

So that's where I have been going wrong....lol

[ozzyboy]

I think you will find that money has come from our government......sorry us tax payers.

I might be wrong, but I thought the govt assistance to the car industry, was to help them produce climate friendly cars for the future? part of the reason the commodore will be discontinued for the alternative 4 cyl front wheel drives.

ozz

[Maxhead]

BTW anyone notice how thin the DVD is now bloody half the thickness!!!


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Must be made by Tigerz11...lol

[Maxhead]

The reason more people are buying the cheaper products is because we cant afford to buy the big name brands. Yes i would love to have a car fully kitted out with arb and the likes, but am i willing to put near $10k into it?? No i am not. I cant afford to be spending $1500 on a steel bar or rear protection, so i go for something cheaper. I always try to help out the little local guy, even if they arent the cheapest, but sometimes, 100% dependant on what it is, you need to choose a cheaper copy because it just to expensive to buy the big aussie beand names.


I understand but if you keep your vehicle for a long while then paying once for quality makes sense. I can't see the benefit buying cheaper and having to replace it 3 times in the same period.
In saying that there are a lot of products that are comparable in quality with a lower price so it comes down to researching before you buy..

[growler2058]

Must be made by Tigerz11...lol

Most likely outa the same factory


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[lhurley]

I understand but if you keep your vehicle for a long while then paying once for quality makes sense. I can't see the benefit buying cheaper and having to replace it 3 times in the same period.
In saying that there are a lot of products that are comparable in quality with a lower price so it comes down to researching before you buy..

Thats it. I might be biased in the sense that i havent had any issues with cheap products that ive bought, but i if i can get the same thing for cheaper, then thats what i will buy. I am very much a strong believer in buying things once.

[NP99]

Some buyers are snobs and will buy brand names regardless.......

[Maxhead]

Some buyers are snobs and will buy brand names regardless.......

Yeah, some buyers have money and no time so they just go the easy option so they go for a reputable brand and pay $$$

[Drewboyaus]

example:
holden lower their price for the ss commodore by $9800 to bring customers back?
How is it, they can knock near 10k off the price, still make a profit, and we, the consumers think this is acceptable?
imo, if you bought a ss commodore last year, you were over charged 10k, due to inflated prices for higher profits

ozz

Yet the thing to consider in this case Holden are about to release a completely new model, so the massively reduced price is to ensure they have no excess stock if the (now) relatively worthless superseded model.
Product life cycle 101.


Tip tip tip......tap tap tap....

[NP99]

Not all importers and sellers of products from overseas fall prey to "cheap and nasty". Yep, all (everything!) we sell is imported, and if you've been following the saga to date, we are nearly 18 months and thousands upon tens of thousands of dollars down the drain with limited sales to date due SOLELY to our lack of willingness to compromise on quality - good quality gear still comes from overseas, but as said, there is too many dealers who are in it for the fast buck - believe it or not, we are NOT. We are taking a ridiculously long time getting this little venture off the ground for no other reason than we simply won't be supplying crap. If its average quality, we'll be telling you such, and it will be dirt cheap, and that's only on some "non life threatening" items for want of a better phrase. We'll be cheaper than big names, we'll be importing, but we will always ensure quality is 'at least' the highest within the price bracket. That all said, it is exceptionally hard to make a go of it when people still give so much lip service to a topic like this and make all the claims under the sun regarding how we should "support the little guy", "buy Australian", etc, etc, but at the end of the day without the prying eyes of other members over looking etc simply walk into the local stores and buy based on price - I see it every single day ... and it's disheartening to be honest, as we could just go with the flow and make a few bucks quick, but are instead trying to attack a niche in the market that we "think" exists based on comments made in relation to topics like this, but seems to be proven consistently to be a pipe dream. The Australian consumers fault - not the seller. Time to take accountability for the animal WE collectively have created ourselves ... and stop blaming others to simply make ourselves feel better about what we've done.

This process with Roo and Tigerz etc started early last year (my wife worked for a company previously who is also now owned by EMG). Their quality is awful, they're pricing is suited to match ... BUT, the choice is still yours and I would stake my next pay packet on the fact that "we" as a nation will continue to make the choice in their favour.


Scotty (Bigrig)

You are spot on Scotty. You will not be gouging the market like some big players. We all get annoyed in the example given about awnings. If you can get it cheap, sell it cheap and don't gouge the consumer......not talking safety as you stated. Cheers

[Clunk]

Not all importers and sellers of products from overseas fall prey to "cheap and nasty". Yep, all (everything!) we sell is imported, and if you've been following the saga to date, we are nearly 18 months and thousands upon tens of thousands of dollars down the drain with limited sales to date due SOLELY to our lack of willingness to compromise on quality - good quality gear still comes from overseas, but as said, there is too many dealers who are in it for the fast buck - believe it or not, we are NOT. We are taking a ridiculously long time getting this little venture off the ground for no other reason than we simply won't be supplying crap. If its average quality, we'll be telling you such, and it will be dirt cheap, and that's only on some "non life threatening" items for want of a better phrase. We'll be cheaper than big names, we'll be importing, but we will always ensure quality is 'at least' the highest within the price bracket. That all said, it is exceptionally hard to make a go of it when people still give so much lip service to a topic like this and make all the claims under the sun regarding how we should "support the little guy", "buy Australian", etc, etc, but at the end of the day without the prying eyes of other members over looking etc simply walk into the local stores and buy based on price - I see it every single day ... and it's disheartening to be honest, as we could just go with the flow and make a few bucks quick, but are instead trying to attack a niche in the market that we "think" exists based on comments made in relation to topics like this, but seems to be proven consistently to be a pipe dream. The Australian consumers fault - not the seller. Time to take accountability for the animal WE collectively have created ourselves ... and stop blaming others to simply make ourselves feel better about what we've done.

This process with Roo and Tigerz etc started early last year (my wife worked for a company previously who is also now owned by EMG). Their quality is awful, they're pricing is suited to match ... BUT, the choice is still yours and I would stake my next pay packet on the fact that "we" as a nation will continue to make the choice in their favour.


Scotty (Bigrig)

Never a truer word said bud.......

Don't slap it, tap it!!!!

[Drewboyaus]

Wow, what a hornets nest,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
The problem here is attitude, we have been flogged by the big boys for decade.
Told that cheaper was always best!
When was the last time one of you researched prices and went straight to the cheapest quote, yes you may have side stepped him in favour for the second or third highest price.
But essentially our collective attitudes towards retail and all things buying is go for the cheapest price!
Now don't confuse cheap prices with cheap products here, I am talking about equivalent products at marginally different prices.

The cheap imports no matter where they come from are all doing our country great harm!
I know of 6x dairy farmers who have been forced to source work away from the farm.
They cant sell cause they're too far in debt. And dont get me started on the wave of imports currently smashing our shores from the States. Yes I make some dollars from towing them around the country, for this I am a hypocrite. However if "we" continue down this road and do nothing to turn the flow there will be no manufacturing, there will be no industry other then digging up our soil and we all know this is destined for over seas!

I have, for years battled with my wife trying to get her to stop buying the cheap milk, bread and "coles" "woolies" brands in favour of local or home grown produce and products.
Its a hard slog changing attitude, ask our parents!

Rant over,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

Big Fella, in essence I agree with you but the example of cheap milk is a bad one.
Dairy farmers earn the same amount per litre no matter who sells it!
I will use Victoria as an example......Coles sells milk for $1 per litre, and my milk bar sells Pura milk for $2.50. Which scenario gives the most back to the farmer?
It is in fact the same. If you buy your milk at $2.50 from the milk bar you are only contributing more to the processor.
In Australia there are only 2 main milk processors, Fonterra (a NZ company) and Lion (now owned by Kirin from Japan) who effectively have a duopoly and essentially pay the farmer the same regardless of how much it gets sold by the retailer.
Quite a furphy that one.....
Back on topic (sort of), Roothy has been sh!tting me off for ages with his piss-poorly organised rabble of don't lock up Australia campaigners. Constantly beating up on 4WD associations when in fact he should be promoting that responsible community attitude that 4WD clubs do their best to live by......


Tip tip tip......tap tap tap....

[taslucas]

I think a point that you missed is that its hard for consumers to know if a product is; cheap because the quality is poor, cheap because the company are trying all they can to keep the price down and make little profit, expensive because the quality is superior, expensive because there is more R&D/ aftersales support/ warranty, expensive because the company is ripping people off....... Its just hard to make an informed decision and gets harder as some manufacturers hide their processes so they cant be copied and some industry "experts" have comparisons that cant be trusted.
For the record Scotty, its little things like talking to you and (somewhat) understanding your principles and character over the last year or so that mean that ill be shopping with you when and if youve got a product i want:)

[Swampy]

Not all importers and sellers of products from overseas fall prey to "cheap and nasty". Yep, all (everything!) we sell is imported, and if you've been following the saga to date, we are nearly 18 months and thousands upon tens of thousands of dollars down the drain with limited sales to date due SOLELY to our lack of willingness to compromise on quality - good quality gear still comes from overseas, but as said, there is too many dealers who are in it for the fast buck - believe it or not, we are NOT. We are taking a ridiculously long time getting this little venture off the ground for no other reason than we simply won't be supplying crap. If its average quality, we'll be telling you such, and it will be dirt cheap, and that's only on some "non life threatening" items for want of a better phrase. We'll be cheaper than big names, we'll be importing, but we will always ensure quality is 'at least' the highest within the price bracket. That all said, it is exceptionally hard to make a go of it when people still give so much lip service to a topic like this and make all the claims under the sun regarding how we should "support the little guy", "buy Australian", etc, etc, but at the end of the day without the prying eyes of other members over looking etc simply walk into the local stores and buy based on price - I see it every single day ... and it's disheartening to be honest, as we could just go with the flow and make a few bucks quick, but are instead trying to attack a niche in the market that we "think" exists based on comments made in relation to topics like this, but seems to be proven consistently to be a pipe dream. The Australian consumers fault - not the seller. Time to take accountability for the animal WE collectively have created ourselves ... and stop blaming others to simply make ourselves feel better about what we've done.

This process with Roo and Tigerz etc started early last year (my wife worked for a company previously who is also now owned by EMG). Their quality is awful, they're pricing is suited to match ... BUT, the choice is still yours and I would stake my next pay packet on the fact that "we" as a nation will continue to make the choice in their favour.


Scotty (Bigrig)


Dam Asians

[NP99]

Dam Asians

Do you mean sand bag Asians or damn Asians? :)

[Ben-e-boy]

Dam Asians

well if you cant take the pjss out of your own and your shonky build quality and un-ethical business practices who can?????

[Swampy]

Weave my family awone, u buy now, when it bwakes u buy more!!!!!!

[Swampy]

Maybe wong number but u buy, u buy for 1 dowar, u buy now, maybe 2 dowar??

[Ben-e-boy]

half pwice fwee post

[Swampy]

Me wove u wong time ben-e-boy, u buy now!!!

[Maxhead]

Got an email from Tigers11 about an hour ago...http://us6.campaign-archive2.com/?u=3c5726f9f373d4b4b576bfcaa&id=c2fd261c7d&e=8c90310c20

[boots]

So has some evil dictator started running the Melbourne 4x4 show ? If its that Admiral General Haffaz Aladeen of Wadiya , we are doomed ..

[taslucas]

Many double happy good bwands. Woo Systems, Twigez, Iwonman. Woofy say all much good many happy

[ozzyboy]

Yet the thing to consider in this case Holden are about to release a completely new model, so the massively reduced price is to ensure they have no excess stock if the (now) relatively worthless superseded model.
Product life cycle 101.


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yes, but the discount is on the new model, not on the superseded model

ozz

[taslucas]

Got an email from Tigers11 about an hour ago...http://us6.campaign-archive2.com/?u=3c5726f9f373d4b4b576bfcaa&id=c2fd261c7d&e=8c90310c20

Sadly, the only difference that email has to their normal rubbish is the bit about being banned at the top. It still says: "last chance", "best ever", "once in a lifetime", "never to be repaeted" blah blah blah!! That is the reason i opted out of their emails over a year ago. I was so sick of the weekly pounding they were dishing out!! (and yes i sent them a courteous email discussing that)

[Ben-e-boy]

yes, but the discount is on the new model, not on the superseded model

ozz

Really dan.. Swampy is onto you

[Swampy]

Geeees ozzy, wat r u finkin, stwop bwieng so swerious, u wooser

[Swampy]

I am so wonly

[Drewboyaus]

Nicely brought back on track Kris!

Scotty is dead right about the attitude of Australian consumers.
For years through all the TV advertising consumers (and many in business) have been conditioned to think value = cheapest. Sh!ts me to tears.
Camping stores are the best for it.......most now only really sell their home branded stuff they copy from the likes of black wolf etc. with about half the materials. So what is the better value, the cheap tent you paid 60 bucks for but can't keep the water out properly or that original Black Wolf or EPE that you paid an extra hundred for but will keep you dry time and again?


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[Drewboyaus]

yes, but the discount is on the new model, not on the superseded model

ozz

Are you sure about that? (Genuine question) Because the marketing plan was to take the vehicle upmarket and not discount at all.......


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[Swampy]

Dwam Holden I do bwetter pwice. U buy sang yong I do bwetter deal, half pwice and fwee delivery... U buy now!!!

[Drewboyaus]

Guys, in all seriousness and I'm not generally a serious bloke but can we quit with the Asian mockery please.
We have a number of members from SE Asia about and I'd be quite miffed if I were one of them......


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[Drewboyaus]

The new model SS isn't even on sale yet.....


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[Clunk]

The new model SS isn't even on sale yet.....


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If it's not branded Nissan Patrol it's not worth writing about!!!!!

Don't slap it, tap it!!!!

[Drewboyaus]

If it's not branded Nissan Patrol it's not worth writing about!!!!!

Don't slap it, tap it!!!!

Fair enough too!



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[Ben-e-boy]

Guys, in all seriousness and I'm not generally a serious bloke but can we quit with the Asian mockery please.
We have a number of members from SE Asia about and I'd be quite miffed if I were one of them......


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We are just having a laugh mate.

Some people on here are over the childish antics, the which is tougher GQ or GQ thread for example.
I am over people getting on their high horses and riding into the sunset about this particular topic. We can bag them out all we want but there seems to be a lot of selective hypocrisy. When 90% of the products in our houses come from the same place why must people get behind the keyboard and consistently responded to topics like these because they feel as though camping and 4wd products are mutually exclusive when discussing quality and price of imported goods

[Yendor]

I might be wrong, but I thought the govt assistance to the car industry, was to help them produce climate friendly cars for the future? part of the reason the commodore will be discontinued for the alternative 4 cyl front wheel drives.

ozz


I was referring to the grants given to keep the plant going in SA.

Not the push to get us all out of our gas guzzlers and into a Prius.

[cruise]

There's always Women weekly.......lol

I see the thread on 4WD Action has been deleted.......I bet their in damage control.

another one has just been put up i am sticking around for a few laughs and to see how long it lasts this time

[cruise]

Got an email from Tigers11 about an hour ago...http://us6.campaign-archive2.com/?u=3c5726f9f373d4b4b576bfcaa&id=c2fd261c7d&e=8c90310c20

i just received the same one got another one from 4x4 fail as well same old shit deleted it straight away

[Drewboyaus]

I was referring to the grants given to keep the plant going in SA.

Not the push to get us all out of our gas guzzlers and into a Prius.

A Prius, hmmmm.....like driving a vagina!


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[Stropp]

I absolutely agree with the point that us the customer need to make the choice as to whether we buy Australian or imports, I am in business and the amount of Aussie manufacturers that are going offshore with production is huge as they try to compete with the likes of bunnings and masters and the customers wanting to pay the least they can, it shits me to tears that you price a product at a fair price so you can make enough to pay the bills but the consumer knowing you are already cheaply priced still try to beat you down. If this keeps up we will have nothing Aussie made and the future generations will have a third world economy to contend with!

[NP99]

I absolutely agree with the point that us the customer need to make the choice as to whether we buy Australian or imports, I am in business and the amount of Aussie manufacturers that are going offshore with production is huge as they try to compete with the likes of bunnings and masters and the customers wanting to pay the least they can, it shits me to tears that you price a product at a fair price so you can make enough to pay the bills but the consumer knowing you are already cheaply priced still try to beat you down. If this keeps up we will have nothing Aussie made and the future generations will have a third world economy to contend with!

Then we need retailers to stock locally made......who owns the retailers? O/S parent companies!!!

[Bloodyaussie]

Holden are a bunch of dicks who try to hold suppliers to prices set years ago and do not allow for any costing rises or inflation so then the local supplier is supplying components to Holden for little or no profit..

If the supplier tries to negotiate new contracts Holden threaten to go elsewhere..(overseas).

As for banning Tigerz and am not sure it is truly to right thing to do?? I personally cant stand the monopoly that EMG have created but people can work out for themselves whats right for them.

That last 4x4 show I went to was rubbish with no bargains to be had at all...... when I go to a gun show there is always some ripper specials to be had.

[Drewboyaus]

I absolutely agree with the point that us the customer need to make the choice as to whether we buy Australian or imports, I am in business and the amount of Aussie manufacturers that are going offshore with production is huge as they try to compete with the likes of bunnings and masters and the customers wanting to pay the least they can, it shits me to tears that you price a product at a fair price so you can make enough to pay the bills but the consumer knowing you are already cheaply priced still try to beat you down. If this keeps up we will have nothing Aussie made and the future generations will have a third world economy to contend with!

It's insane! I went to The Good Guys to buy a toaster.....was listed at 40 bucks, looked the goods, in the right price bracket, picked one up and was bowled over by a sales dude who reckoned he could do better......on a toaster? So he did to for $30......WTF? Since when should I need to barter for a toaster....



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[ozzyboy]

Are you sure about that? (Genuine question) Because the marketing plan was to take the vehicle upmarket and not discount at all.......


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GM Holden will announce sizeable price reductions of between $2500 and $9800 for its upgraded VF Commodore line-up on Friday (May 10).

The aggressive new pricing structure was revealed to Holden dealers last week and motoring.com.au sources have confirmed buyers of sports and luxury models will be the biggest beneficiaries when the vital new VF is officially released on June 1.

ozz

[93patrol]

Go to Coles get a toaster for 10 bucks


Just tap it in just tappy tappy tappy

[macca86]

Interesting read I don't think they should be banned we are all entitled to free trade and speech here. If people want to buy a product based solely on price let them do it. If they buy based on research price and product reviews they are entitled to still buy the banned product but they won't as the research would say not too. I'm here in the lounge I see everything I have in imported, tv iPad computer fridge light bulbs outside my motor bike hell even my patrol all made and or designed overseas so why the argument of buying imported gear? We all buy what we think is the best product forte price. I buy way I think is best value and if I can't afford it I buy 2nd hand as all the 4wd camping gear is overpriced.

[Drewboyaus]

That last 4x4 show I went to was rubbish with no bargains to be had at all...... when I go to a gun show there is always some ripper specials to be had.

They're all the bloody same now. Someone needs to shake the whole show thing up a bit....
I guess when you're always discounting and selling stuff at crap margins there ain't much room for a show-stopper bargain any more. Most consumers expect those type of discounts all the time now too....


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[Drewboyaus]

Go to Coles get a toaster for 10 bucks


Just tap it in just tappy tappy tappy

Had about 3 cheap toasters in a row that fried themselves.


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[MEGOMONSTER]

Question: do we think that the normal stall holders of the 4x4 show have told organisers that they will boycott the show if tigers11 team will be attending. Thus the banning. Cos I can't think of any other reason.

[nissannewby]

I have seen it written on another forum that tigerz might be using it as a publicity trick??? Love how threads go on this forum lmao.

[gaddy]

I was just thinking that a well known 4wd show is sponsered by both arb and tigerz?

Steve

[Clunk]

I seem to remember a few years back the same thing with "made in Japan", then it was stuff marked "made in Taiwan"!!!!!!!

If I could make sh*t I would, instead of lining the pockets of the big corps, whether there stuff is top dollar top quality or cheap and poor quality.

I know when the time comes to get New heating for the house, I'll be going back to see Stropp, not because he may or may not give a discount but because I would prefer to support a local business and he's also a stand up bloke. And if I had the dough to splurge on the Q I'd be using the likes of GSC, especially if they get off their arses and distribute over here ;)......... Bloody slackers

Don't slap it, tap it!!!!

[Ben-e-boy]

Benjamin

That was a well written, concise, articulate, eloquent and surprisingly intelligent post from someone like you (dumb @rse tradie!!).

Please stop it!!!! lmao


Scotty (Bigrig)

No I won't stop it.

I have been a member of this forum for a long time. NOT that it makes me a better person or a more knowledgable person.
There has been a consistent slide in the culture of the place. Largely as a result of the growing need for political correctness.
I am by no means saying that we all go around calling someone a F¥+cking c**t because they have an opinion that differs to mine far from it.

I work in a great big dirty dusty hole in the ground and a great thing for me is to jump on here as a bit of a release from work. Have a chat with mates, (who I see In the real world regularly when off shift) Have a laugh, help someone and such.

Really. F,ing really

[NP99]

Question: do we think that the normal stall holders of the 4x4 show have told organisers that they will boycott the show if tigers11 team will be attending. Thus the banning. Cos I can't think of any other reason.

Or do they have a financial interest in non tigerz products?

[Clunk]

Had about 3 cheap toasters in a row that fried themselves.


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You shouldn't cheap out on toasters mate, I'd hate it if mine failed when I wanted toast in the morning

Don't slap it, tap it!!!!

[NP99]

Had about 3 cheap toasters in a row that fried themselves.


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We bought a $100 toaster from Myer. Didn't last a week......we bought a $20 one and its still going strong!

[MEGOMONSTER]

I've now bought 2 Roosystems awnings for $185 each. Best thing I ever bought from Roos.

Is the quality poor, don't think so, not on this product anyway.
Maybe because it is just an awning. Really, you can't fark it up anyway.

[Clunk]

Distribute over where?? I checked your profile and your location came up as closer to India than Brisbane!!! lmao


Scotty (Bigrig)

Ok ok so yet again you get me on a technicality!!!!!!!!!............ Damn you for being such an arrogant, big headed, well versed smart arse ;)

Don't slap it, tap it!!!!

[NP99]

I've now bought 2 Roosystems awnings for $185 each. Best thing I ever bought from Roos.

Is the quality poor, don't think so, not on this product anyway.
Maybe because it is just an awning. Really, you can't fark it up anyway.

Doesn't the Tigerz awning have some QA issues? Thanks for the heads up on the Roos awning.

[Clunk]

Hey Scotty, is your website up n running now?

Don't slap it, tap it!!!!

[BigRAWesty]

Geeze.. were giving them more publicity then they pay for in a year..
Your gotta remember no1 has been banned... The've been told piss off, no one wants ya here..
A big step by the organisers and I applaud them for it.. this allows the smaller local joints who are struggling to compete some stage. Hopefully people who attend will get exposed to some dam fine engineering and products.. without have crap smashed in your face every step..

Kallen Westbrook
Owner of
Westy's Accessories (http://www.nissanpatrol.com.au/forums/showthread.php?15134-Westy-s-Accessories.-A-small-back-yard-builder.)

[Clunk]

Someone change the thread heading quick lol

Don't slap it, tap it!!!!

[NP99]

Kallen, I think even if they attended, if the smaller players had a good product it would get the attention it deserves.

[Drewboyaus]

C'mon Drew. Seriously?? We can't have a giggle regarding "Asian mockery" as you put it whilst I have an Asian mate sitting here, but my wife (who's also sitting here and having a laugh about the thread) just said to me that she as a female (of which, there's far more members on here than Asians) is expected to tolerate you comparing a semi electric vehicle of suspect build quality to a woman's anatomy ...

Me personally, I have no issue (nor does my wife by the way) with your comment, but what makes it any better and/or more acceptable to what we were posting earlier?? Once again, Aussies having a laugh.

Precisely! It doesn't. Both themes might be thought offensive by different people as you have rightly pointed out.
The problem arises because it is a public forum. Me and my mates can and are as offensive as the next person when we get together in private, but wouldn't behave that way on the bus or at the footy (in public) for example. This forum is effectively carried out in a public place and exposes what each of us say to people who may not be in on the joke.
It's not really Aussies having a laugh, it's about Patrol enthusiasts from all over the place having a laugh......

Anyway, it's just my opinion.




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[nissannewby]

Yep and as we speak I am manufacturing these you beaut hid spotties just as good as some of the best and are gonna market them well :). I managed to get a hold of an original and took all measurements specs etc and will copy that directly :) lmao

[nissannewby]

So dont want to distract from this thread but i gotta side with drew's earlier comment here. Yes this place is a laugh a minute and always has been since its inception, but it has lowered it's tone gradually over the last year or so. Thats not necessarily such a bad thing, ffs i as much as most of you don't want a straight-laced stick in the mud community here. But I think the calibre of humourists here are better than needing to resort to racial-based humour. You guys might think i'm being a bit pc but I personally just don't think it's all that witty or funny.

Anyway you can flame away now, I'm big and ugly enough to take a hit for my point of view.

Who invited you :p. Go cook me a roast :p lol.

[NP99]

So dont want to distract from this thread but i gotta side with drew's earlier comment here. Yes this place is a laugh a minute and always has been since its inception, but it has lowered it's tone gradually over the last year or so. Thats not necessarily such a bad thing, ffs i as much as most of you don't want a straight-laced stick in the mud community here. But I think the calibre of humourists here are better than needing to resort to racial-based humour. You guys might think i'm being a bit pc but I personally just don't think it's all that witty or funny.

Anyway you can flame away now, I'm big and ugly enough to take a hit for my point of view.

If your big and ugly, we must have the same mother :)

[NP99]

Yep and as we speak I am manufacturing these you beaut hid spotties just as good as some of the best and are gonna market them well :). I managed to get a hold of an original and took all measurements specs etc and will copy that directly :) lmao

Keep the noise down in your yard, it's after 10pm :)

[MudRunnerTD]

Cooked another killer spit out bush last weekend. Where were you newby?? Anyway enough hijack back to the thread. :)

I just check my letter box and my inbox..... My invite must have been stolen mate!!??? WTF!

[Bigcol]

were Tigerz & Roo systems banned for their products - and a prevailing attitude of everyone is UN-Australian if you dont support them & their product?
- or a different reason all together?????


just asking, as NO ONE has specified WHY they are Banned

methinks tis just cheap advertizing

cheers

[Drewboyaus]

Both Roo and Tigerz could also be banned if there is another rival media/magazine partner involved (ACP, 4wd TV) who has paid for exclusive rights to the event.
That would be the commercial reality as a result of the respective partnerships with EMG.
Copying other manufacturers products probably wouldn't help the organisers look the other way either.....


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[nissannewby]

Yep. In law its called "origin of concern" - meaning that in a situation (in a legal sense) of reputed insult with intent and/or malice, the supposed intent or malice (racial taunts, slurs, insult, etc) can only "truly" be determined by the again supposed recipient - that is, if someone says you're being racist, only those that the intended comment is supposedly against can make a determination as to the level (if any) of racial discrimination ...

My point (if there is one! lol) is that whilst you may find the comments offensive as per others, it is only judged by those who are in a position of "origin" to actually determine it as derogatory or offensive. Using the basis of we are an international forum, and subsequently there 'could' be a viewing member from the other side of the discussion who finds it offensive, isn't really a cause for cessation of the behaviour.

That all said, if you, Plassy and/or others found it offensive in a general moral or ethical view, then for that I apologise to you, and hope you all see the good humour (good taste or bad) for which it was intended.


Scotty (Bigrig)

Go to bed already :p

[NP99]

were Tigerz & Roo systems banned for their products - and a prevailing attitude of everyone is UN-Australian if you dont support them & their product?
- or a different reason all together?????


just asking, as NO ONE has specified WHY they are Banned

methinks tis just cheap advertizing

cheers

It's still not clear if they were banned or refused vendor/display entry

[Alitis007]

At the end of the day people don't care where its made or who's selling it they just want to save a dollar they don't have in the first place! Every one in business knows the big boys don't play fair and they don't like to be undercut, i know blokes from the spare parts industry to tow truck drivers at different levels of the spectrum that have been stung, 1 towy i know thats pretty much in control of a part of melbourne chucks a darky that hard if a car gets picked up in his area by another mob will have their license revoked. The guys in spare parts have lost their suppliers coz of the likes of Bursons, Repco etc where being under cut that hard their trade price was 3 times as much as the retail of the spare parts store, hell i even lost a job for $10 even tho my competitor doesn't do 50% of what we do!!

What i'm getting at is people want to pay less for cheap inferior items even if the brand name will last 3 times as much, and that hurts the big boys !! As far as these guys getting banned, obviously more then one vender at the show complained about them so instead of competing they got rid of the competition ( business is ruthless ) and the thorn in the side is gone!!

Tigerz stuff from what i can understand 1 in 5 works and pretty good too, so that 1 will refer another 5 or 10 and the process begins again...

[NP99]

The consumer sometimes doesn't understand what's involved in a quality job, just the end $ or the $ in a quote. A good example is timber fencing. Quotes vary from quality to sub standard. I can use poor timber, dig a hole 200mm, use a 1/3 bag post filler and give the consumer a better quote than quality timber 600mm hole and full bag of post filler. Not knowing what quality is, they will generally go for the cheap quote. I lose out too many times, I'm out of business and the shonky's remain and everyone complains about poor quality and fondly remembers the good old days!

[Nutta28]

Agree that competition is needed , but it has to like for like in quality , why hasn't someone done a crash or vibration test on bars for all suppliers , same with winches , put them on a test rig load them up and run them over and over to see who dies first , an honest comparison including back up service . and if it was done by a major market player all the better ,this would clear the air , a well informed customer is a repeat customer , I choose the name brand on major items bars etc purely on their back up service and RND and that they comply to ADR in the event of a major accident . just my 2 bobs worth

Steve
Allan at piranha off road has tested these winches and he has built him self a winch dino to so he can really test the winches out. I was there when he did one of the test with the tigers11 and it got that hot that it melted the winch rope. At the end of the day winch are not winches and you need to talk to the professionals to make shore you get the right one for your needs

[Nutta28]

I understand but if you keep your vehicle for a long while then paying once for quality makes sense. I can't see the benefit buying cheaper and having to replace it 3 times in the same period.
In saying that there are a lot of products that are comparable in quality with a lower price so it comes down to researching before you buy..

That's what I say.
I used to have a long wheel base Suzuki sierra and I spent money twice or three time by buying cheep or not paying the money to get professionals to do things that where out of my league now with my patrol I only want to spend the money once

[Nutta28]

Some buyers are snobs and will buy brand names regardless.......

Helps when you have a father who is warranties manager at one of these big brands and that father is good mates with some that owns another and that owner is the father of one of ur best mates

[growler2058]

Yep. In law its called "origin of concern" - meaning that in a situation (in a legal sense) of reputed insult with intent and/or malice, the supposed intent or malice (racial taunts, slurs, insult, etc) can only "truly" be determined by the again supposed recipient - that is, if someone says you're being racist, only those that the intended comment is supposedly against can make a determination as to the level (if any) of racial discrimination ...

My point (if there is one! lol) is that whilst you may find the comments offensive as per others, it is only judged by those who are in a position of "origin" to actually determine it as derogatory or offensive. Using the basis of we are an international forum, and subsequently there 'could' be a viewing member from the other side of the discussion who finds it offensive, isn't really a cause for cessation of the behaviour.

That all said, if you, Plassy and/or others found it offensive in a general moral or ethical view, then for that I apologise to you, and hope you all see the good humour (good taste or bad) for which it was intended.


Scotty (Bigrig)

A work mate is a Australasian and he calls me a round eye beep and a white beep and a fat beep am I supposed to be offended?
I tell ya why though, those beeps at EMG who's king size swag shat bits and pieces off it when I set it up at home to wet/season the canvas/stitching can go fork emselves that's offensive......w@nkers they are. Wouldn't step across the road and pi55 on em if they were on fire!


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[cgm]

Two kind of related points to the original thread:

1. OL in Ballarat sent out an email flyer for Warn winches to me and a bunch of others (like heaps of others). Technically someone who sent it had no clue or at the very least made a boo boo and copied all our email address in the "To" field. So, now they were public to everyone. Ok, probably genuine mistake, annoying, but this happens. Next thing you know Tigerz send an email to the same list of email addresses for their stuff. This says it all to me about who Tigerz are. They will drop below all sensible standards, so if they cop crap now I will sit back, watch and enjoy. The quality of their stuff is generally aligned with their pricing (from all observations at a distance).

2. The flip side is, living here in Saudi how come I can buy ARB or Ironman products for 50-60% of the price in Australia? How does that work? The Aussie $ is really high, so buying in another currency should make it more expensive or difficult I would have thought? If it is manufactured or shipped from Aus as well, then it just doesn't make sense. Why so much cheaper here? I'm just guessing, but it seems the Brand names are making good margins in Aus? I definitely like to buy a quality product, but where is the balance in it all? How do we know if they are genuinely struggling to still make a go of manufacturing in Aus or just ripping people off?

Just a couple of thoughts.

[growler2058]

Two kind of related points to the original thread:

1. OL in Ballarat sent out an email flyer for Warn winches to me and a bunch of others (like heaps of others). Technically someone who sent it had no clue or at the very least made a boo boo and copied all our email address in the "To" field. So, now they were public to everyone. Ok, probably genuine mistake, annoying, but this happens. Next thing you know Tigerz send an email to the same list of email addresses for their stuff. This says it all to me about who Tigerz are. They will drop below all sensible standards, so if they cop crap now I will sit back, watch and enjoy. The quality of their stuff is generally aligned with their pricing (from all observations at a distance).

2. The flip side is, living here in Saudi how come I can buy ARB or Ironman products for 50-60% of the price in Australia? How does that work? The Aussie $ is really high, so buying in another currency should make it more expensive or difficult I would have thought? If it is manufactured or shipped from Aus as well, then it just doesn't make sense. Why so much cheaper here? I'm just guessing, but it seems the Brand names are making good margins in Aus? I definitely like to buy a quality product, but where is the balance in it all? How do we know if they are genuinely struggling to still make a go of manufacturing in Aus or just ripping people off?

Just a couple of thoughts.

A mate wanted pedders (I think from memory coulda been monroe actually) point is the factory with an outlet was 10 min drive from him but was cheaper buying from a jeep accessories joint in the states WTF!!


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[oncedisturbed]

CGM - very true in what you say, a lot of identical gear can be purchased OS at a fraction of the cost of purchasing it here, ARB as an example. A lot of it comes down to businesses with rediculous mark up (design costs etc have been paid 100 fold on the items sold) and the Grubbermints taxes etc make a lot of the costs sky-high in which they continue to waste

[NP99]

Helps when you have a father who is warranties manager at one of these big brands and that father is good mates with some that owns another and that owner is the father of one of ur best mates

Who's on third? :)

[Forced Offroad]

I'm the same in my trade.....plumbing. I have to sell my product a lot harder to get the job. Its sucks when you have pride in your work and only use Australian made products.


As for the banned, Im glade the show has done this if its true. The only persons that have claimed this so far in the 4wdaction.
I think the banned is more toward tigerz11 as they have burnt a lot of people and other 4x4 camponies and roo had no choices.
I've read else where that the big 4x4 companies were going to boycott the show, if ARB recoded sales at the brisabne show were anything to go buy I don't think they would care.

[NP99]

The big players should not be concerned about Tigerz. If the Tigerz product is crap, consumers will soon put them out of business. Every forum out there bags Tigerz........ What do the big players fear?

[macca86]

Australia gets ripped off really bad. I've just bought a motor bike and went to buy gear to ride helmet was 200 armour 200 boots 300 gloves 60 jersey and pants combo 80 all we known name brands I went on line and saw the prices on the AMA website (aussie distributed ) was cheaper then a mate gave me a US website he orders from (btosprots) I can get the same stuff for 150 150 200 30 and 50 respectively in US dollars plus 20 shipping and they asked what bike I ride and gave free stickers spark plug and air filters. Why buy elsewhere cheaper prices and free stuff hard to beat.

[NP99]

Australia gets ripped off really bad. I've just bought a motor bike and went to buy gear to ride helmet was 200 armour 200 boots 300 gloves 60 jersey and pants combo 80 all we known name brands I went on line and saw the prices on the AMA website (aussie distributed ) was cheaper then a mate gave me a US website he orders from (btosprots) I can get the same stuff for 150 150 200 30 and 50 respectively in US dollars plus 20 shipping and they asked what bike I ride and gave free stickers spark plug and air filters. Why buy elsewhere cheaper prices and free stuff hard to beat.

I did the same with my bike gear......way over priced in OZ

[taslucas]

Like a lot of people here, I like to buy local as much as I can but still end up with a house full of imported stuff. Where I live there are next to none small businesses manufacturing anything. So decision which product to buy is not usually based on price but availability. Bigger brands (whether they are dodgy or not) simply have a further reach to places like this. It's not a case of driving past a local manufacturer to a super cheap importer just to get a few bucks off.
One thing I don't like is when we feel like we should be loyal to an aussie company but the product is simply imported and marked up anyway.
Example 1: got a pertronix2 from a Melbourne company for my mate. They sent the wrong one and took two weeks to rectify the problem. So for my own pertronix2 I bought from a US company that was $70 cheaper after postage. It turned out to be faulty and had to be replaced but the point is: I got no better service from the aussie lot, I paid more for the product that they had just imported and marked up themselves.
Example 2: Makita drill kit. The average price of the same kit is around $300 more at a local shop than I got mine off the net from USA. I know the guys at the shop and the only come back was "if it breaks you have warranty if you buy from us". Well the warranty from them is 12 months, so basically it's an extra $300 for 12 month warranty?. I've had the drill for around three years.
On the other hand, I buy local produce (because Tassie food is the best:-) ) and I try to support the local small guys in town. I never buy the Coles/woolworths branded stuff. I think what they've done to their supermarkets by slowly creeping in these products is far worse than what is happening in the 4wd industry. But as said above, there seems to be a bit of hypocrisy.

FanTapstic!

[billy bleed]

When and where is the show anyway?


I am made up of the following parts.. Black Irish / Gypsy / Tattoo's and Grumpiness.. and this was sent from my phone using Tapatalk!

[threedogs]

The Shows are starting to roll around , with Melb in early sept, so who's first Brissy,??
Got to be more in it as heaps of stalls selling crap at 4x4 shows.

[Cuppa]

Who is this "roothy" and what does he do anyway ?

Years ago Roothy was a well thought off writer of magazine articles, mainly in motorcycle mags I think, but times have changed & it seems he found his 'home' in 4wd mags, where it appears a bit of empire building has gone on, for which he is the front man, if not a major owner. There certainly seems to have been a process of 'selling out' since the days of the old Roothy I knew & loved.

Cuppa

[taslucas]

Years ago Roothy was a well thought off writer of magazine articles, mainly in motorcycle mags I think, but times have changed & it seems he found his 'home' in 4wd mags, where it appears a bit of empire building has gone on, for which he is the front man, if not a major owner. There certainly seems to have been a process of 'selling out' since the days of the old Roothy I knew & loved.

Cuppa

I want to comment but I don't want to turn another thread into a roothy bashing thread! Lol

FanTapstic!

[Cuppa]

And whilst not wanting to inflame a smouldering fire .......... Goodonya Drewboy, it's not easy to speak out against what the majority accept, & to do so again when what you said is laughed off........but mate you were right.

Cuppa

[1MadEngineer]

As an industry insider that has had a lot to do with this debate, I can assure you the issues are not entirely with the 3rd party companies but with the specific media group and there 'investment' in these companies. The terms "conflict of interest" always pop into my head, but sadly that is the nice way of putting it!!!

[Bloodyaussie]

Years ago Roothy was a well thought off writer of magazine articles, mainly in motorcycle mags I think, but times have changed & it seems he found his 'home' in 4wd mags, where it appears a bit of empire building has gone on, for which he is the front man, if not a major owner. There certainly seems to have been a process of 'selling out' since the days of the old Roothy I knew & loved.

Cuppa

Is he that Roothy....?? cheeses I never realised!!!!!..... splitter!!

[Sir Roofy]

Been reading this thread for a while now,it seems to me that everybody is bagging all these brand names that have hit the market with cheaper prices and quality than most,they flog thier products pretty hard show you how good they are in the field,right
so now if you read most of the posts on the forum john says i want this paul says where can i get this,every body gives there opinion on what to get,but it comes down to one thing every time------------ill have to get that one its all i can afford,ive done it myself on accasion this is what roo,s and tiger,s and roothy play on this is why there market has grown so strong so fast over the last 12months so my friends if want the best dont be in a rush to beat everybody to have the newest gear save for it get what you want and only do it once not twice

[MEGOMONSTER]

I've mentioned this to a few people now and have said " they don't give shit as long as its cheap". So Roofys right, market is dominated by this attitude.
We all want the best and most can't afford it.

[taslucas]

I've mentioned this to a few people now and have said " they don't give shit as long as its cheap". So Roofys right, market is dominated by this attitude.
We all want the best and most can't afford it.

We all want "one of everything" instead of a few less things but of better quality. Its like when you see a family on Today Tonight complaining about an interest rate rise but in the background you can see it looks like a harvey norman catalogue with top end appliances, 50" tv, stainless kitchen, and everything brand new

[NissanGQ4.2]

We all want "one of everything" instead of a few less things but of better quality. Its like when you see a family on Today Tonight complaining about an interest rate rise but in the background you can see it looks like a harvey norman catalogue with top end appliances, 50" tv, stainless kitchen, and everything brand new

what's wrong with that *L* sorta like dole bludger's having a whine that they don't get paid enough on the dole, yet can afford 2 smoke, drink and gamble

And don't blame the big boyz for overpriced goods or the Sweatshop oversees making stuff on the cheap or ourselves for buying it.

If anyone wants to start finger pointing, start with the Government.

[Forced Offroad]

Its been posted on 4wdaction that roo's ban was influenced by the bigger 4x4 companies.

[Maxhead]

I still don't see how it is economically viable to buy a cheap product 2-3 times in the same period as one of better quality product. :confused:

Anyway by the comments here it looks like that's it what people opt out to do and when they realise the product is crap they stop buying it and start buying a different brand name. And as we see in a lot of cases probably from the same company. LOL vicious cycle if you ask me.

[Cuppa]

I've mentioned this to a few people now and have said " they don't give shit as long as its cheap". So Roofys right, market is dominated by this attitude.
We all want the best and most can't afford it.

Yeah Roofy's right, but it's something that takes many of us years of experience to understand no matter how much we're told. Buy the best you can afford, & if you can't afford it go without, & save up until you can. Buying cheap is often a false economy but the rare & occasional bargain is enough to blind us with optimism that our next buy will be a bargain too. Just like putting money into the slots. It's all very well buying a cheapie to get by on that one off job provided the job isn't critical & using the cheapie doesn't put you at risk. But buying the cheapie because it's all you can afford knowing that you could be depending on it to get home safely, or to manage a potentially dangerous task without injury, or even just risking your large financial investment through the use of a part which if it were to fail could result in expensive damage just makes no sense. Nissan Patrols are not 10 cent purchases & they are not cheap to maintain. Many folk aspire to own one because they are good vehicles, but sometimes I have to wonder at the wisdom of those who buy one when they can't afford to pay for the ongoing costs & hang cheap poorly made gear on them. They'd be better of buying an inexpensive little runaround & saving for what they really want....... But I guess if we can survive the school of hard knocks we're doing alright eh? Even if some folk make it harder on themselves because they want it all now.

Here endeth the lesson! ;)

Cuppa

[krbrooking]

I agree with nissangq4.2. It's the damb government that makes these prices so hi. Like someone said earlier he buys the AUSTRALIA MADE products in another country for less than what we can get it here in Australia. All tigers and roo's were trying to do is give the big guys something to think of, I don't personally like the quality of there products but at the end of the day it is the consumers choice to go with the cheaper option, I also don't believe that the bigger companies should be charging what they do here when the same AUSTRALIAN made product is cheaper elsewhere, I do understand that the better quality does cost more to make but don't believe it is as much as they charge, only simply for the fact that its cheaper elsewhere!!!!!!!!!

Well that is my 2 cents.

[Drewboyaus]

I agree with nissangq4.2. It's the damb government that makes these prices so hi. Like someone said earlier he buys the AUSTRALIA MADE products in another country for less than what we can get it here

There's many things you might be able to blame the government for but high prices on 4wd accessories is not one of them. That has everything to do with quality manufacturers maximising their profit margins. Have a look at the ARB share price and return on equity to see how much they need to reduce their prices.
Manufacturers like ARB are simply not interested in the lower end if the market and if it were my business, neither would I be if I was making top dollar elsewhere.
I have always lived by the saying: "buy once and buy it right"
Drew..


Tip tip tip......tap tap tap....

[macca]

I would not be surprised it Tigezr made the same profit from a sale as ARB or whoever make on the same item in their showroom.
Just Tigerz generally is a cheap copy made in a factory with cheap labour and inferior materials.

It is frustrating to see the same product O/S for much less, a $1500 air locker in the US was $900 when I had the Hilux.

This so called banning is very market driven IMHO, the other companies probably banded togeather and said they were withdrawing from the show if the cheap counterfitters were going to be there.
If they had allready done a show with them present they were probably pissed about the questions comparing the product and price, their sales may well of been below what it it costs to rent the space, set up the display, stock it and man it for over a week without a break.
I was told by one of the MSA owners at the Sydney show years ago that ARB spent $35000 on their site at a Melbourne show, that was just the patch of concrete. BS or not I dont know.
Also if the magazine ARB etc had supported for years had a shift in their marketing strategy a bit of bad blood may well be spilt so this is a get square.
I have no idea what the publication is like now, the last issue I bought boasted 296 pages, 60% plus were ads. That was 3 or more years ago.
Think I bought the one with a winch comparo in it, and that was biased. Never again.

If you dont mind getting a cheap price, from basically an internet based company and you are happy with your purchase, half your luck.

As an point of interest I dont buy ARB stuff if I can avoid it as it has been promoted as the best for years even though some of their stuff is rubbish and they wouldn't cover my warrantee claims. Forced me to look harder and found some quality Aussie stuff that cost a bit more but will last me for years. I for one am willing to pay more for a better product.

[Maxhead]

Been googling bit more on this and found this on 4wd action

4WD Shows are traditionally a place where companies in the 4WD industry can offer great deals and get in front of thousands of 4WDers. 4WD shows allow the general public to see a huge range of 4WD products and are able to compare like with like from various companies before parting with their hard-earned money. While it does cost 4WD companies a significant amount of money and time to have a presence at a 4WD show, the fact is, that if you have a great product and offer great value, 4WD companies can really benefit from 4WD shows. Roo Systems can certainly attest to this.

It doesn’t make sense that Roo Systems would make false claims about not being allowed to attend the Melbourne 4x4 Show. We don’t need to stir the 4WD industry with stories like this - our great prices do enough stirring on their own!

Roo Systems have had a presence at every major 4WD show for the last 3 years and had every intention of attending the 2013 Melbourne 4x4 Show. That was until recently where Paul Morgan (the show organiser) told Glenn Wright and Ben Sexton that Roo Systems could not attend the show. Whilst Paul did not name names, after much probing he did tell Glenn that “influential 4WD industry figures do not want Roo Systems there”.

The show organisers made their decision to ban Roo Systems from attending their show.

As a result, we have made our decision to expose the truth.

They made their bed, now they can lie in it.

Regards,

Christian Rolfe

Marketing Manager
Roo Systems

[taslucas]

ooooooohhhhhh the truth will be exposed!!

And what does "they made their bed they can lie in it" mean? Are they trying to suggest that the show organisers are in some way going to pay for their decision?? hmmmmmm........

[Punderhead]

I think that the problem is that there is no inbetween market anymore. All the jobs we do at work are either for companies who can't afford stuff all, or for a big company that says "these are the standards required, how much will it cost? Ok we will pay."

Maintenance schedules in industry have become so tight. As my companies primary business is boilers, the law requires that they be serviced at certain industries, so these are carried out. Yet we also service associated equipment. 80% of the time the 'Service" is a quick temporary repair to 'get them out of trouble until they can repair it properly' 70% of the time the temporary repair becomes permanent.

I am sick of doing a job that is crap because the customer can't afford the correct materials and enough time to do it properly. I am sick of replacing a part knowing full well that it will be dead in 12 months because of poor quality. I try to take pride in my work, but when when you are told to do it as cheap as possible, that is quite hard to achieve.

Now I know this has nothing to do with 4wding, Tigrez11 or roo systems, but it is related.
They have come in at the bottom of the market, selling to people who really can't afford it. As such, they have offered what is very appealing to every industry, and person. More for less. All that now matters is the $ figure that comes out of your pocket today. They have not got quality materials, they have not put enough time into labour, and the result is failure 12 months down the track.

But back to my point. there is no middle market. They have all shut down. because people who have the cash and do a bit of reaserch will go for the high end items. Like ARB. People who were saving for a middle order item opted to go for cheaper because they couldn't afford top end, and cheaper meant getting said item today, instead of a few months down the track. It looked the same as middle order, obviously not quite top end, but the price difference is enough to sway you. The middle market dies because it is undercut. Unfortunately, this is where all the bargains where to be had. From what I have seen, this is where Great Southern Camping is aiming. And I think before to long it will take off as people realize that it is where to put your cash.

My 2c - please don't disregard it because I'm young.

Cheers!

[the ferret]

ooooooohhhhhh the truth will be exposed!!

And what does "they made their bed they can lie in it" mean? Are they trying to suggest that the show organisers are in some way going to pay for their decision?? hmmmmmm........

I think I'll go get some popcorn and sit back and wait for Roo systems ta spill the beans lol, they are notappyjan!!
Cheers, the ferret.

[taslucas]

I think I'll go get some popcorn and sit back and wait for Roo systems ta spill the beans lol, they are notappyjan!!
Cheers, the ferret.

lol yeah but it wont be them spilling the beans in a fair and unbiased way though.

[the ferret]

Ha ha, I used ta do the 4x4 shows, then in comes the Chinese crap, up goes the site rental, have to hire their tents $$$$, glad to be out of the rat race, then a big mob buys some of ya stuff, and bingo. all copied and made from crap as well.
I did enjoy the Brizzy shows tho!!
Mmmmm, popcorn's good!
Cheers, the ferret.

[Forced Offroad]

mmmmm popcorn, social media and friends of this Forum 4WDTV have mentioned a few things on there Facebook Page..... Not looking good for the big Mag

[Maxhead]

mmmmm popcorn, social media and friends of this Forum 4WDTV have mentioned a few things on there Facebook Page..... Not looking good for the big Mag

Hahaha, just saw that too

OFFROADING MAGAZINE - Roothy and the crew at 4WD Action have posted a video stating Tigerz 11 have been banned from the upcoming Melbourne 4x4 Show.
"Roothy, you are an icon of 4WDing in Australia with many people looking up to you and supporting your great causes. You have and are doing a lot of great work for the offroading cause. However, you have really stuffed up this time because you DO know that the content of the video is factually incorrect. It is un-Australian to misconstrue the facts for your own advantage and to the disadvantage of exhibitors who actually booked a space at the show. Restore you honour and great image and retract your misconstrued video."

Offroading Online Magazine has an affiliation with the Melbourne 4x4 Show in that we are paid by Tony Whateley of the Loveday Extreme Team to take photographs of his event as well as the show in general.


4WDTV - Most reputable 4x4 accessory companies have pulled out of the magazine, if roo and tigerz are not at the 4x4 show it is another positive step forward for an industry that is under attack from a greedy and misguided organisation. Roothy's video has been a massive flop...the backlash is widespread and it has highlighted some of the hidden truths about their actions. It is un Australian to import cheap, inferior and dangerous Chinese copies. It is also un Australian to label reputable Australian companies who spend millions locally on R&D, design, testing, manufacturing and employ thousands of Australians as un Australian...wake up people! Who has the industry turned against? Who is flooding the market with inferior and cheap copy product? Who has a financially vested interest in 2 of their advertisers? Who is swapping ad space for profit without paying the appropriate tax and GST? Which advertising platform is now a retailer...a conflict of interest? Unethical, unfair, unreasonable, illegal...and un Australian!



...but it gets better after that.....lol

[NissanGQ4.2]

Well there you go...... Now I can understand why someone has been complaining about Wholesale Automatics customer service, now in bed with roo and emg

[taslucas]

yeah i have just been reading that too. Ive never been on facebook before but this is too good to miss so i got my girlfriend to log in for me lol. I did notice that Roothy's vid isnt there anymore. Or am i just cr@p at navigating the facespace?

[Drewboyaus]

Last time I subscribed to 4WD Action, I was to get a free toolkit. It took 5 months to show up and then after its second use out on the track the ratchet in the socket driver didn't work.......
Total rubbish. Got a roll to wrap up my decent tools with though, shame its got Roothys bonce on it!


Tip tip tip......tap tap tap....

[Forced Offroad]

http://video.4wdaction.com.au/video/11/roothy-protest-deals?utm_source=4WD+Action+Marketing

I dont know if this has been put up yet but here is the Vid smothered in advertising and subscription deals.

[Drewboyaus]

Making it a sales opportunity isn't making them look any better FFS.


Tip tip tip......tap tap tap....

[taslucas]

http://video.4wdaction.com.au/video/11/roothy-protest-deals?utm_source=4WD+Action+Marketing

I dont know if this has been put up yet but here is the Vid smothered in advertising and subscription deals.

ahhh there it is! thanks, i must have got mixed up (again). But tell me this: What 4wda video isnt smothered in advertising and subscription deals!?

[taslucas]

Making it a sales opportunity isn't making them look any better FFS.


Tip tip tip......tap tap tap....

they are nothing BUT a sales oppoturnity!

[BigRAWesty]

mmmmm popcorn,

Bloody oath.. this I think will be a long long fall from the false top...

Kallen Westbrook
Owner of
Westy's Accessories (http://www.nissanpatrol.com.au/forums/showthread.php?15134-Westy-s-Accessories.-A-small-back-yard-builder.)

[Drewboyaus]

So what is the go with all this? From what I have just read, they haven't been banned at all but that's the story Roothy is telling.
What's going down?


Tip tip tip......tap tap tap....

[Maxhead]

So what is the go with all this? From what I have just read, they haven't been banned at all but that's the story Roothy is telling.
What's going down?


Tip tip tip......tap tap tap....

You're telling the story ;) LOL .....so what else did you just read???

[growler2058]

Hahaha, just saw that too

OFFROADING MAGAZINE - Roothy and the crew at 4WD Action have posted a video stating Tigerz 11 have been banned from the upcoming Melbourne 4x4 Show.
"Roothy, you are an icon of 4WDing in Australia with many people looking up to you and supporting your great causes. You have and are doing a lot of great work for the offroading cause. However, you have really stuffed up this time because you DO know that the content of the video is factually incorrect. It is un-Australian to misconstrue the facts for your own advantage and to the disadvantage of exhibitors who actually booked a space at the show. Restore you honour and great image and retract your misconstrued video."

Offroading Online Magazine has an affiliation with the Melbourne 4x4 Show in that we are paid by Tony Whateley of the Loveday Extreme Team to take photographs of his event as well as the show in general.


4WDTV - Most reputable 4x4 accessory companies have pulled out of the magazine, if roo and tigerz are not at the 4x4 show it is another positive step forward for an industry that is under attack from a greedy and misguided organisation. Roothy's video has been a massive flop...the backlash is widespread and it has highlighted some of the hidden truths about their actions. It is un Australian to import cheap, inferior and dangerous Chinese copies. It is also un Australian to label reputable Australian companies who spend millions locally on R&D, design, testing, manufacturing and employ thousands of Australians as un Australian...wake up people! Who has the industry turned against? Who is flooding the market with inferior and cheap copy product? Who has a financially vested interest in 2 of their advertisers? Who is swapping ad space for profit without paying the appropriate tax and GST? Which advertising platform is now a retailer...a conflict of interest? Unethical, unfair, unreasonable, illegal...and un Australian!



...but it gets better after that.....lol

So did they not even book a spot and just expect to get one>??????????

[Forced Offroad]

Look like they didn't or stuffed up some where with there booking for the Show and this ban is a self advertising stunt gone wrong.
Show promotors have mentioned they are not banned and I dont think ever were... There a places still left,

This is just a low move from EMG and 4wdaction... not looking good for them

[Maxhead]

So did they not even book a spot and just expect to get one>??????????

Good pickup...lol


Look like they didn't or stuffed up some where with there booking for the Show and this ban is a self advertising stunt gone wrong.
Show promotors have mentioned they are not banned and I dont think ever were... There a places still left,

This is just a low move from EMG and 4wdaction... not looking good for them

Bunch of morons!! Looks like their stunt has backfired badly and even calling others unAustralian ...

[Clunk]

Jeez bored of this now........ Guess they've got everyone talking about them, so if that's what they were after that's what they got

Don't slap it, tap it!!!!

[rusty_nail]

Short and sweet. I don't agree with what tigerz and roo systems are doing, and I certainly wouldn't buy their stuff after all the bad things I've read about them.
However I don't use my camping stuff everyday and I just cannot justify spending mega bucks on the 'top' quality gear. I try to shop mid range, stuff that isn't super cheap and nasty, but doesn't cost a mint. All I want is somthing that will last me a weekend here and a week there, anymore than that and I think I would be wasting my money. I'm sure alot of other younger guys on here and some of the older ones too agree?


Tappin

[cruise]

well boys this just came up on the 4wd tv facebook page written by the national 4x4 and outdoor show
"Hi all,

I'd just like to make quite clear that Tigerz11 and Roo Systems were not "banned" from the Melbourne 4x4 Show, as 4WD Action and Roothy so incorrectly, irrationally and embarrassingly stated.

The fact is that they had not rebooked their stands for the 2013 show when they had to opportunity to do so and they were consequently on sold. We offer first-right-of-refusal to ALL previous show exhibitors, but after countless phone calls and emails to 4WD Action (4WD Action manage the show bookings for Tigerz and Roo... no surprise there!) we had no reply.

When they did finally wake up to the fact the Melbourne 4x4 Show was fast approaching they attempted to book in, but unfortunately due to the high demand for exhibition space this year, coupled with the fact they requested a larger stand indoors for Tigerz11 which we did not have, we just couldn’t accommodate them. Instead of enquiring on an option outdoors for the Tigerz11 or Roo stands, they cracked the sad’s and we didn’t hear from them again… until now.

In the end, it was the stupidity of 4WD Action to claim they were banned from the Melbourne 4x4 Show, Roothy to shoot off his mouth, without first finding out all the facts (geez Roothy what's happened to you mate, you used to be an iconic and respectable face of the 4wd community... and a valued guest of the 4x4 shows) but the icing on the cake.., to send out a newsletter and mail out to their members, complaining they were banned (opportunity again to have another winch and roof top tent sale) which was a complete and utter lie.

All's I can say, if 4WD Action continue down this path - so very far from the respectable magazine that once was - they'll only succeed in burying themselves. They’ve lost the respect of the National 4x4 Show, the respect of the Industry, the respect of so many of their loyal followers and they’ll never be invited to exhibit at our 4x4 shows ever again.

Regards,
Paul Morgan
Event Manager

[NP99]

Just as I predicted, not banned at all. Their trash magazine and hosts aren't worth the Chinese paper they print on!

[GU CAMPER]

Useless magazine

That's all that is worth saying


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[MEGOMONSTER]

Wow. This is like watching a train crash.

No, like Young and Restless mixed with Days of our lives.

Tis quite humorous to finally find out the truth.
Poosystems and Figers11 were shafted by their owners. Great job o'foolish one.

[Forced Offroad]

Smashed, only if they listened to the reader and didn't get so greedy

[Maxhead]

Wow. This is like watching a train crash.

Hahaha, couldn't put it better myself.. I think the magazine and the clowns there would be in damage control right now...possibly looking for new careers.

[Forced Offroad]

I had 1 1/2 packets of buttered microwave popcorn reading the truth....

[Bigcol]

I have sooooooooooooo many comments to make in this thread - but I KNOW I will pi$$ off a lot of people........

end of the day - the Organizers of the Melbourne show have stated that EMG didnt book space in time, and it happens.
EMG now say its UN-Australian of the Show Organizers -

and every 4wd forum (most I have looked at) are having a field day about cheap and shoddy V's expensive and quality

me.........? I think its funny

cheers

[billy bleed]

Should this be made into a STICKY?

Great story/advice on how not to manage your business - Could be a real help to those starting up their own businesses!

The perfect storm..

;)


I am made up of the following parts.. Black Irish / Gypsy / Tattoo's and Grumpiness.. and this was sent from my phone using Tapatalk!

[macca]

I am having trouble absorbing the latest turn of events.

What the hell were the Mag/Tiger/Roo team thinking to head down the path they have chosen, that fella Paul Morgan has obviously had enough of them and probably the same can be said for a lot of us out here in consumer land.

Hard to see a business strategy here, but funnier things have happened before.

[the ferret]

Just shows you what type of people they are when they try to dish out so much bullshirt to the buying public.
The public are their customers, their mainstay and can not be lied to.
Cheers, the ferret.

[Bigcol]

maybe they were holding out for a "bigger and better" stand inside than out
and thought the video would pressure them in to giving it to them..................

and it sort of backfired????


cheers

[NP99]

Un Australian :)

[Bloodyaussie]

Un Australian

[Forced Offroad]

4wdaction are soon to reply on there forum, apparently where in for a rude shock for speculating.

[taslucas]

Lol anyone got any popcorn left? I ate all mine last night!

FanTapstic!

[threedogs]

Ding,,,,,,,,,, Round two,,,,,,,,,,,,, what no chicks with round cards...., bummer

[BigRAWesty]

$20 on the come out stating is was a planned media stunt and sorry it got outta hand... :rolleyes:

Kallen Westbrook
Owner of
Westy's Accessories (http://www.nissanpatrol.com.au/forums/showthread.php?15134-Westy-s-Accessories.-A-small-back-yard-builder.)

[threedogs]

And 21 pages later we fell for it,,,,,,,,possible

[BigRAWesty]

If they do td I hope Mr Paul mogan has taken notes of the whole f up and takes the scum down for damages and deprivation againt the show..

Kallen Westbrook
Owner of
Westy's Accessories (http://www.nissanpatrol.com.au/forums/showthread.php?15134-Westy-s-Accessories.-A-small-back-yard-builder.)

[SonOf]

Looking forward to the rest of this story, made a good read over a wine or 3.

If they have indeed done this as a PR stunt because they thought they were too good to be left out, then they are total pelicans. :animierte-smilies-f

On the cheap vs quality issue, been flicking through the copies of their mag I have lying around (yes I will admit I still get it from time to time for the DIY) & funnily enough on all the "tough" rigs etc they show I cannot see any of their gear, nor is it mentioned in the specs :confused:

[taslucas]

$20 on the come out stating is was a planned media stunt and sorry it got outta hand... :rolleyes:

Kallen Westbrook
Owner of
Westy's Accessories (http://www.nissanpatrol.com.au/forums/showthread.php?15134-Westy-s-Accessories.-A-small-back-yard-builder.)
yeah probably the only reason they could make up to get out of it all with a scrap of dignity.


And 21 pages later we fell for it,,,,,,,,possible

I haven't fallen for anything. I, (like most people on here I imagine) haven't changed my mind regarding their products or service

FanTapstic!

[Gstone]

G'day everyone, Brenno here. Geez, hasn't this matter about Tigerz11 and Roo Systems at the Melbourne Show blown up quickly! A couple of days out in the scrub and you come back to this topic going crazy. So, my please accept apologies for the delay, but here's some clarification, as has been requested.

It all started with Christian from Roo Systems being given the run-around by Paul Morgan the promoter of the show, while trying to book a stand. Numerous un-returned phone calls and emails, long delays between any sort of communication and when contact is finally made, the answer is 'we're all booked out'. That didn't sound right, so more calls were made, messages left and finally a week later came the reply we'd half been expecting. "Some influential players in the industry have said if you are there, they won't be". Half expected, but still pretty rough.

No-one likes playing the 'he said, she said' game, because all it ends up sounding like, is a couple of spoilt little kids arguing over who broke the vase. But let me put it this way. From an external viewpoint, I can't see any reason or benefit to Roo Systems and Tigerz11 making all this up. Seriously, what have they got to gain from not going to a 4WD show? Missing out on the ability to sell products to 4WDers who are actively looking to buy gear for their 4WDs? Doesn't sound like a good business plan to me, especially since both Glenn and Paul have said that they've been wrapt with the response they've got from previous shows – this year's Brisbane show in particular, with the Adelaide show already booked for later this year. It also doesn't sound like a very good stunt to me. Stunts generally have a purpose, and it's usually not to disadvantage yourself!

On the other hand, you've got a show promoter who personally admits to being leaned on heavily by people who spend a lot of money with him, 'some influential players in the industry' (his words!). The Tigerz and Roo displays have always been small bikkies compared to what some of the other stands are worth to the promoter, which seems to be the reason why they responded the way they did.

4WD shows are a way for companies to directly interact with their customers, and offer seriously good deals that they couldn't offer at any other time, because they had a truck full of gear out the back ready to be taken home that day, the old 'cash and carry' idea. That's why you pay an admission fee to go and look at gear to buy, because the idea was always that you would easily make that admission fee back in savings! That's what I find the most frustrating out of all of this - that is EXACTLY what Roo and Tigerz are offering, sensational deals, the ability to pick the gear up and take it home that day, and for all of this they're being punished.

Look, I'm not asking that you believe what I say without question. I just want you to make up your own mind. 4WDers aren't idiots, we're regular everyday people who - in my experience -- have a pretty good nose for detecting when something stinks. Consider both sides of the story, consider who has the most to gain from all of this and always remember that people tell their own versions of events to suit their own purposes.

Take all these politics out of the matter for a moment, because I really think we're all forgetting the big picture. 4WDing is about spending time in the bush, finding that perfect campsite, sitting around a campfire with mates and the tracks you drove to get there. Who cares what brand of winch you have? All that matters is you've got one, and you get it dirty!



What rubbish.

[MEGOMONSTER]

Really, who is telling us the while truth.
None of them, I bet.

[MudRunnerTD]

Cut and pasted from a face book post....


Hi all,

I'd just like to make quite clear that Tigerz11 and Roo Systems were not "banned" from the Melbourne 4x4 Show, as 4WD Action and Roothy so incorrectly, irrationally and embarrassingly stated.

The fact is that they had not rebooked their stands for the 2013 show when they had to opportunity to do so and they were consequently on sold. We offer first-right-of-refusal to ALL previous show exhibitors, but after countless phone calls and emails to 4WD Action (4WD Action manage the show bookings for Tigerz and Roo... no surprise there!) we had no reply.

When they did finally wake up to the fact the Melbourne 4x4 Show was fast approaching they attempted to book in, but unfortunately due to the high demand for exhibition space this year, coupled with the fact they requested a larger stand indoors for Tigerz11 which we did not have, we just couldn’t accommodate them. Instead of enquiring on an option outdoors for the Tigerz11 or Roo stands, they cracked the sad’s and we didn’t hear from them again… until now.

In the end, it was the stupidity of 4WD Action to claim they were banned from the Melbourne 4x4 Show, Roothy to shoot off his mouth, without first finding out all the facts (geez Roothy what's happened to you mate, you used to be an iconic and respectable face of the 4wd community... and a valued guest of the 4x4 shows) but the icing on the cake.., to send out a newsletter and mail out to their members, complaining they were banned (opportunity again to have another winch and roof top tent sale) which was a complete and utter lie.

All's I can say, if 4WD Action continue down this path - so very far from the respectable magazine that once was - they'll only succeed in burying themselves. They’ve lost the respect of the National 4x4 Show, the respect of the Industry, the respect of so many of their loyal followers and they’ll never be invited to exhibit at our 4x4 shows ever again.

Regards,
Paul Morgan
Event Manager

a Balanced debate.

The Leeches are Loosing!

[threedogs]

Nah I'm not buying that wouldn't you book 2 maybe three years in advance not 3 to 4 months out and expect a premium site.
Regardless where its held you would book for the following year well in advance. If it sounds suss chances are it is.

[Drewboyaus]

3D they would have been asked to book for next year when the 2012 show finished. It's the same for anything, trade show, kennels at Christmas. If I don't book the kennel at Christmas for the next year we miss out. Simple as that. EMG would know that too....


Tip tip tip......tap tap tap....

[TimE]

I can understand how cheap crap made in China is "Un Australian", but how is a company that is Australia based employing Australians and using Australian materials "Un Australian".

Me thinks Roothy (formerly know as Westy in motorcycle mag days), would, if he where a "true" Australian, use his real name, and not hide behind the Roothy nom de plume. Then again when you're on a big contract you'll do and say whatever your employer wants from you I suppose.

Am I being too cynical?

[Cuppa]

Me thinks Roothy (formerly know as Westy in motorcycle mag days), would, if he where a "true" Australian, use his real name, and not hide behind the Roothy nom de plume

Real name John Rooth.
Think he may have called himself John West when editor for 'Live to Ride' mag.
Has been involved with many mags, I remember him in 'Two Wheels' (where he wrote well & called himself 'Roothy'/John Rooth').
Have seen him in recent times in Caravan & motorhome mags.
Reputed to be a member of the Rebels MC club.

His 'resume' ....... http://au.linkedin.com/pub/john-rooth/49/138/b9a?_mSplash=1

Cuppa

[SonOf]

And on 4 x 4 Australia facebook site -https://www.facebook.com/4X4Aus
It keeps going

[threedogs]

@ Cuppa I rode in a "BIKE GANG for use of a better term , The young buck across the road buys a Harley can't ride for nuts and Already a member of the "Rebels"
Go Figure. Gee I miss my bike days

[NP99]

HA in America are having trouble with young members riding skateboards and baseball caps!!!

[Forced Offroad]

As requested via Pm you will find the response by 4wdaction, I was bit late on the request and just got home to the bigger computer and noticed the PM from 10:40am
http://www.4wdaction.com.au/forum/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=143312&start=60

[Irish]

From Glenn Wright:


Hi Everyone,

I want to share with you the latest correspondence I have sent him so you can see the facts and why Tigerz11 and Roo Systems were banned from the Melbourne 4x4 show.

Here is the letter I sent Paul Morgan the show organiser.

I believe the facts speak for themselves.

Paul,

In the interests of not being loose with the truth, and keeping the industry and the public informed, the only person back-pedalling is you.

The facts are:
1. Tigerz11 and Roo Systems wanted to book space for Melbourne, and did so in time. There has never been an issue with us booking stands in previous years, yet this time we had a very different response from you.
2. Tigerz11 asked if inside space was available, but would have accepted outside space.
Christian Rolfe from the Tigerz11 marketing team initially emailed you to ask for space indoors. Your response is attached here.

Sent: Wednesday, 27 March 2013 1:58 PM
To: 'Christian Rolfe'
Subject: RE: Melbourne 4x4 Show - Tigerz11

Hi Christian,

Thanks for your email.

At this point in time I don’t have anything available, but will be in contact if something comes up.

Kind regards,

Paul Morgan

Exhibitions and Trade Fairs Pty Ltd


3. I then rang you to ask if we could book space outdoors, which you also refused.

You didn’t return my calls. After waiting several days for a response, I found this unusual so I asked Ben Sexton from Roo Systems to call you and see if he could get onto you. In your phone call with him in early April, you said that there was an issue with Roo Systems having a stand at the Melbourne show and that you were catching a taxi at the airport and couldn’t talk now but would explain it later. Not understanding why there would be an “issue” with Roo Systems stand at the show, because there never has been in previous years I then tried to call you and didn’t get hold of you.

I finally got hold of you the Friday of the same week on the phone. I asked could Tigerz and Roo have a stand outside as there was no space inside available. You told me that you would have to still see what’s available. I then said “Paul, something smells very wrong here”, what is the issue with Tigerz and Roo exhibiting at the show. You said “some influential people in the 4WD industry don’t want Tigerz11 and Roo Systems at the Melbourne 4x4 show”. I then explained that it isn’t fair not to allow us to exhibit because of pressure from other exhibitors.

Our parting words in that discussion were that if you didn’t get back to me with a reason as to why we couldn’t exhibit by close of business that day, I would discuss with the ACCC.
You told me that it was your show and you had the right to choose who does and doesn’t exhibit.
Why would you say that if you weren’t refusing us the chance to exhibit?
You then said, “I won’t be getting back to you by close of business” and hung up.
I did not hear from you again.


4. We know we could have taken legal action, or have gone to the ACCC, but decided to go to the court of public opinion
5. We noticed that yesterday morning on our forum you said you could not comment due to pending legal action, yet on the same day you were happy to comment in a libellous, misleading and untruthful manner

6. The many honourable and respected 4WD industry people deserved better than having a cloud hang over the show. They are paying you good money, expecting the crowd to come and see their products. Some would have come to see Roothy. Instead, you have banned Tigerz11 and Roo Systems, therefore, Roothy will not show.


It is unfortunate that you have chosen to take the path you have by not allowing Tigerz11 and Roo Systems to attend the show. Tigerz11 and Roo Systems just want to let all 4WDers have access to fair priced products. When we were not allowed by you to exhibit at the Melbourne 4x4 show we were forced to look for other alternatives. What message would it send to 4WDers if Tigerz11 and Roo Systems didn’t attend the Melbourne 4x4 show without giving a reason?

Your decision not to let Tigerz and Roo Systems exhibit at the show gave us no option.

Tigerz11 and Roo Systems still plan to attend as many shows as possible.

Why would we choose to only miss the Melbourne show after having stands at the Brisbane show in March and already committing to attending the 3 shows in Perth, Sydney and Adelaide later this year organised by your competitor.

We note in your email mailout yesterday that space is still unsold for the Melbourne show (approximately 20% unsold). This proves that we weren’t excluded from this show because we missed any deadlines or that there was no room left for us.

Here is an extract from the email you sent yesterday 7/5/13.
Just over 20 per cent of floor space remains for the August 23-25 event at the Melbourne Showgrounds, with the early interest and strong demand resulting in organisers adding an additional hall to the Show footprint, bringing it to over 50,000 square metres for the first time ever.

You simply chose not to let us attend.

I have been proudly involved in the 4WD Industry and with your shows for many years and you should be ashamed of your treatment of Tigerz11 and Roo Systems.

How you can hold your head high after the blatant untruths in your public response surprises me.

Your story simply does not make sense.

You know this is the truth Paul, you are the one who has to live with your conscience, my conscience is clear.

Sincerely,

Glenn Wright

Director of Marketing

Roo Systems and Tigerz11


Ze plot thickens....

[BigRAWesty]

I dunno.. why are they taking so long to reply with these instalments? Its like there writing the script?

Kallen Westbrook
Owner of
Westy's Accessories (http://www.nissanpatrol.com.au/forums/showthread.php?15134-Westy-s-Accessories.-A-small-back-yard-builder.)

[Winnie]

I don't think I care enough about this issue to have an opinion. Not a fan of the Melbourne 4x4 show and not a fan of 4WD Action and their companies.

[NP99]

They could hire a bingo hall and flog their wares like a gun show!

[Irish]

I dunno.. why are they taking so long to reply with these instalments? Its like there writing the script?

Kallen Westbrook
Owner of
Westy's Accessories (http://www.nissanpatrol.com.au/forums/showthread.php?15134-Westy-s-Accessories.-A-small-back-yard-builder.)

Maybe squeezing reply time in between work time?


For me, I have two tigerz products and they work well, BUT I have seen a lot of anecdotal evidence that their gear cam be hit or miss.

I like the 4wd action DVD's, the mags are an ok dunny read.

If they are telling porkie pies about the show organisers being shady it sucks and I wont renew my subscription.
Anyone with an ounce of cop on can tell the shill articles from the good ones.

If it turns out that the organiser folded to pressure from the "old familia", it sucks and they should be held to account.

It's just all a bit sad really, they should wrassle and sort it out like men. There isnt a problem in this world that cant be solved by wrasslin.

[taslucas]

I don't think I care enough about this issue to have an opinion. Not a fan of the Melbourne 4x4 show and not a fan of 4WD Action and their companies.

never been to any 4wd show but i agree with the second part.

[NP99]

Maybe squeezing reply time in between work time?


For me, I have two tigerz products and they work well, BUT I have seen a lot of anecdotal evidence that their gear cam be hit or miss.

I like the 4wd action DVD's, the mags are an ok dunny read.

If they are telling porkie pies about the show organisers being shady it sucks and I wont renew my subscription.
Anyone with an ounce of cop on can tell the shill articles from the good ones.

If it turns out that the organiser folded to pressure from the "old familia", it sucks and they should be held to account.

It's just all a bit sad really, they should wrassle and sort it out like men. There isnt a problem in this world that cant be solved by wrasslin.

I smelllllllla what you're cooking Irish :)

[rottodiver]

In my opinion there is something suss about roothy anyway, has anyone noticed he has a "rebels Australia" sticker in "milo", it is on the dash on the right hand side half covered by his temp or vault gauge, I can't remember which?
I don't care about people being bikies but I don't agree with it being advertised(although it is only advertised to those who know the logo) and if he is not tied up with the club he is close enough to have their sticker which I believe would normally only be allowed by a member.
Scotty

[NP99]

In my opinion there is something suss about roothy anyway, has anyone noticed he has a "rebels Australia" sticker in "milo", it is on the dash on the right hand side half covered by his temp or vault gauge, I can't remember which?
I don't care about people being bikies but I don't agree with it being advertised(although it is only advertised to those who know the logo) and if he is not tied up with the club he is close enough to have their sticker which I believe would normally only be allowed by a member.
Scotty

Mate, you can get supporter stickers etc from their house shows

[Winnie]

never been to any 4wd show but i agree with the second part.

I've been to 3 shows, first was the Vic 4x4 show 2012 which was awesome, so many specials there, you could really get some great bargains. Then I went to the Melbourne 4x4 show 2012 which I did not enjoy at all. Venue was no good and it seemed to be more focused on fishing and boating that 4WDing (maybe I was at the wrong show?) Then went to the Vic 4x4 show again this year and it was nothing like last year.... don't know if I will bother with them any more, especially with all this crap going on.

[NP99]

The exhibitor list -

http://www.4x4show.com.au/melbourne/exhibitor-list/

[Forced Offroad]

http://www.4wdaction.com.au/forum/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=143312&start=120

Link to a reply from the owner on EMG
From understanding he dose not own a 4x4 and use these products

[nissannewby]

They use the word quality too much. Unfortunately with tigerz cheap and quality dont go togther.

[threedogs]

12 magazines and a winch for free come on..Really,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,LOL

[taslucas]

There was a comment on 4wda forum saying that $10 is a bit steep for the mags now that they are %46 (yes this was worked out) adds now. To which the editor Brendan replied that for all the effort that goes into them and the DVDs $10 was a good price and that's as cheap as they can do them. A few pages on he mentions that the last issue sold 55,000 copies. Do the maths! $550,000 in one month!, for one magazine!

FanTapstic!

[BigRAWesty]

They use the word quality too much. Unfortunately with tigerz cheap and quality dont go togther.

http://www.nissanpatrol.com.au/forums/images/imported/2013/05/76.jpg

Kallen Westbrook
Owner of
Westy's Accessories (http://www.nissanpatrol.com.au/forums/showthread.php?15134-Westy-s-Accessories.-A-small-back-yard-builder.)

[nissannewby]

That's just for the magazine not including what they are making of tigerz and roo and whoever else EMG own.

[NP99]

There was a comment on 4wda forum saying that $10 is a bit steep for the mags now that they are %46 (yes this was worked out) adds now. To which the editor Brendan replied that for all the effort that goes into them and the DVDs $10 was a good price and that's as cheap as they can do them. A few pages on he mentions that the last issue sold 55,000 copies. Do the maths! $550,000 in one month!, for one magazine!

FanTapstic!

They should just be honest and retail it out as a product magazine, with an odd DIY article and DVD.

[BigRAWesty]

This could be a book you know.. "tails of the 4x4 world", an insite of how to screw over a country..
Ay Roothy.. don't steal my idea...

Kallen Westbrook
Owner of
Westy's Accessories (http://www.nissanpatrol.com.au/forums/showthread.php?15134-Westy-s-Accessories.-A-small-back-yard-builder.)

[the ferret]

There was a comment on 4wda forum saying that $10 is a bit steep for the mags now that they are %46 (yes this was worked out) adds now. To which the editor Brendan replied that for all the effort that goes into them and the DVDs $10 was a good price and that's as cheap as they can do them. A few pages on he mentions that the last issue sold 55,000 copies. Do the maths! $550,000 in one month!, for one magazine!

FanTapstic!

I wouldn't give em $5.50 fer a UTE load, bum paper!!
Cheers, the ferret.

[BigRAWesty]

http://www.nissanpatrol.com.au/forums/images/imported/2013/05/77.jpg

Should I slap it on there fb page?

Kallen Westbrook
Owner of
Westy's Accessories (http://www.nissanpatrol.com.au/forums/showthread.php?15134-Westy-s-Accessories.-A-small-back-yard-builder.)

[nissannewby]

Yes. See how long it lasts. Only needs an Aussie made sticker on it.

[BigRAWesty]

Done.. I placed it around so it should spread pretty quick..

Kallen Westbrook
Owner of
Westy's Accessories (http://www.nissanpatrol.com.au/forums/showthread.php?15134-Westy-s-Accessories.-A-small-back-yard-builder.)

[P4trol]

.

We are just having a laugh mate.

Some people on here are over the childish antics, the which is tougher GQ or GQ thread for example.





Yeah, Gq drivers. Stop it!

[P4trol]

Pic is up on fb...


Under 'posts by others'

[the ferret]

Pic is up on fb...


Under 'posts by others'

Hmmmmm, dunno bout that, bit risky!!
Cheers, the ferret.

[Gas_Guzzler4800]

Very interesting. Im just starting up a small 4x4 business myself. I sell Dobinsons etc and there is no way I can compete with Tigerz11 prices. I am very interested to see what comes of this. To be honest I cant even be bothered watching the 4wd action DVD's anymore. Whoever is their sposor at the time just gets flogged to the point of being annoying. Currently there is an Automatic specialist joining roothy on his trips. Now all of a sudden roothy keeps plugging how much better Auto's are and "especially" when theyre fiddled with by this particular company. Why is he driving The Red Truck and Gleno driving the Auto Patrol when this auto specialist tags along.

[BigRAWesty]

Hmmmmm, dunno bout that, bit risky!!
Cheers, the ferret.

Im a risk taker..

Kallen Westbrook
Owner of
Westy's Accessories (http://www.nissanpatrol.com.au/forums/showthread.php?15134-Westy-s-Accessories.-A-small-back-yard-builder.)

[P4trol]

Did y hear that ferret? All the risk has been taken. All you have to do is 'like' it!









Very interesting. Im just starting up a small 4x4 business myself. I sell Dobinsons etc and there is no way I can compete with Tigerz11 prices. I am very interested to see what comes of this. To be honest I cant even be bothered watching the 4wd action DVD's anymore. Whoever is their sposor at the time just gets flogged to the point of being annoying. Currently there is an Automatic specialist joining roothy on his trips. Now all of a sudden roothy keeps plugging how much better Auto's are and "especially" when theyre fiddled with by this particular company. Why is he driving The Red Truck and Gleno driving the Auto Patrol when this auto specialist tags along.


All the best with your new business. Use your eyes, ears and work out where your niche is. As you have pointed out, it probably won't be in the 'low priced bulk sales poor quality' area.

There are other elements that people like other than price. Quality (well finished and engineered) , innovative and well thought out. Good after sales service. The more of these you can combine, the easier it will thrive with your business skills.

There is more, I'm sure you think I'm telling you to suck eggs. What I'm trying to say is, do your research.

[Forced Offroad]

4wdaction Forum are starting a new thread called "Ask a Expert" 4wdtv have been doing thins for ages, just another idea they cant come with so they take someone else's idea and claim it as there own

[the ferret]

"Did y hear that ferret? All the risk has been taken. All you have to do is 'like' it!"


Yeah, hear'n it, just don't like it much.
Cheers, the ferret.

[04OFF]

http://www.nissanpatrol.com.au/forums/images/imported/2013/05/77.jpg

Should I slap it on there fb page?

Kallen Westbrook
Owner of
Westy's Accessories (http://www.nissanpatrol.com.au/forums/showthread.php?15134-Westy-s-Accessories.-A-small-back-yard-builder.)

I dont do failbook, and admit i have, and will buy more Tigerz stuff, (very happy with it BTW), but that pic still has me laughing westy :clapping:

[threedogs]

I know heaps of ppl who pulled their ads from 4wd Monthly/action, because of all the DIY segments.. All went to shite when Liam took over IMO

[taslucas]

Massive "important notice" gone up on 4wda site
http://www.4wdaction.com.au/

[BigRAWesty]

Massive "important notice" gone up on 4wda site
http://www.4wdaction.com.au/

I love reading the line "as long as the customer wins"...
When you take there money, sell them crap which breaks within warranty but don't bother to deal with them and do them over, pretty sure we aint winning...

Kallen Westbrook
Owner of
Westy's Accessories (http://www.nissanpatrol.com.au/forums/showthread.php?15134-Westy-s-Accessories.-A-small-back-yard-builder.)